you don't value human life, to you, it doesn't matter when people kill human life or have other human life killed
I'm not like you
that's the difference you will never understand - the value of human life
you're hung up on "value of life" .... maybe tell us all here why you place none on babies?
compared to a human life absolutely because all the above can be applied to day old babies - you want to kill them to if they affect your job, income, health, other dependents .... or dating scene, partying, school etc ?No, they're not, unless you think avoiding losing your job, losing an income, risking your health, risking your ability to support your dependents or fulfill obligations to others are "conveniences." Do you? Yes or no? If so, you hold your health and your responsibilities in life very cheaply.
Why cant women get abortions for any need they have? Please explain? That assumes abortion is wrong...who says? What authority? Not the Const, not SCOTUS, not the Bible. So...why do you post your emotional tirades if you have no rational argument beyond your feelings? No one forces women to have abortions, it's a choice...what authority is entitled to deny women a much safer medical procedure?
How are you valuing it when you find it acceptable in cases of rape or incest or birth defects? Please explain what is different in those unborn that makes them less human or less worthy?
only at certain stages of lifeGordy and I value babies a great deal.
I value the unborn, I just value all born people more. And babies are "born."
compared to a human life absolutely because all the above can be applied to day old babies - you want to kill them to if they affect your job, income, health, other dependents .... or dating scene, partying, school etc ?
killing innocent human life is unacceptable - it is to everyone else here too on this forum after a baby is born isn't it ?
only at certain stages of life
how does your scale of value work ?
yes because of all the reasons I stated - we shouldn't able to kill our children because they're an inconenienceAnswer the question before lecturing: do you think avoiding losing your job, losing an income, risking your health, risking your ability to support your dependents or fulfill obligations to others are "conveniences?
not apples to apples no but in many ways similar as well (jobs, school, partying, income, risk of health, ability to do this and that)And you're wrong anyway...the newborn does not affect the woman's health and can be put up for adoption and not affect ANY of those things. Holy shit do you ever think more than one step ahead?
How are you valuing it when you find it acceptable in cases of rape or incest or birth defects? Please explain what is different in those unborn that makes them less human or less worthy?
because for those 1-2% of pregnancies I have always conceded to make an accommodation - make no mistake, the unborn is still killed
but maybe you're right ... maybe I should go hard line and say no abortions at all ? hmmmm let me think on that, you might be right
yes because of all the reasons I stated - we shouldn't able to kill our children because they're an inconenience
not apples to apples no but in many ways similar as well (jobs, school, partying, income, risk of health, ability to do this and that)
you're rigth
I rescind that - ban all abortions like Lursa says, I have to be 100% convicted with no compromises at all
deal - you just successfully argued me away from trying to find a compromise. Thank you
Great. Then it should be no problem for you to explain or quantify this value.I know what value is, most people do
It's a fetus. That's just simple medical fact.what do you think of that article? would you tell them that 11 weeks premature wasn't a baby?
They can do whatever they want.would you tell them not to smile? why be happy about something that isn't valuable or loved right ?
Still waiting on that "value" you keep mentioning. Or are erroneous presumptions and appeals to emotion all you really have?I'm curious how you read/see people that are pregnant (women and their husbands/families) ... I bet you want to scream at them how stupid they are because the unborn child in her womb? to you there is zero value there - no value, ..... but they very much see the value don't they ?
Until you explain or quantify value, it is you who is in the wrong!either you're wrong ... or they are .....
Except when it's rape or incest according to you. Why are those cases acceptable? Are they not "valuable?"killing innocent human life is unacceptable - it is to everyone else here too on this forum after a baby is born isn't it ?
He cannot even explain this "value" he uses as the basis of his argument. Or explain the difference in value between a fetus conceived from consenting adults vs one from rape/incest. But you hot the nail on the head: all feelings/emotions, no substance. His attempt to cite Joss Stone in his argument, for whatever reason, is a clear indication of that.No worries...you couldnt admit that you're ok with murdering the unborn in cases of rape or incest, so you just "conveniently" changed your mind without any ability to explain it. That's the usual case with the anti-choice people...they run mostly on feelings, rational or not.
you're right, they're not any different ........ and we shouldn't allow them to be killed, I agreePlease do rethink it. Tell me how the value of the unborn is any different in cases of rape or incest or birth defects? And then tell me if and why it's acceptable to kill them?
Why not?you're right, they're not any different ........ and we shouldn't allow them to be killed, I agree
no, you're using a wordIt's a fetus. That's just simple medical fact.
They can do whatever they want.
Still waiting on that "value" you keep mentioning. Or are erroneous presumptions and appeals to emotion all you really have?
Until you explain or quantify value, it is you who is in the wrong!
Except when it's rape or incest according to you. Why are those cases acceptable? Are they not "valuable?"
Proper medical terminology.no, you're using a word
Medical fact it is a fetus 1 day before and a neonate 1 day after birth.medical fact is its living and human ... just like a 1 day old baby born is the same exact baby 1 day BEFORE birth ... only difference is 48 hours and out of the womb but same living human individual
I do. Hence the medical/scientific terms fetus/neonate.use puppy, kitten, baby, zef, fetus ... any words you want to but if you want to talk biological facts stick with it
You're attempts to make it about me are nothing more than deflections from challenges posed to you. What is the value of human life you so often declare? You've consistently avoided that question. Perhaps when you actually answer my questions, I might be inclined to answer yours!"I'm curious how you read/see people that are pregnant (women and their husbands/families) ... I bet you want to scream at them how stupid they are because the unborn child in her womb? to you there is zero value there - no value, ..... but they very much see the value don't they ?"
who's avoiding questions now? and you and I both know why you don't post how you really feel about human life, don't we ?
Why not?
if you are right and human life has no value ...
Proper medical terminology.
Medical fact it is a fetus 1 day before and a neonate 1 day after birth.
I do. Hence the medical/scientific terms fetus/neonate.
You're attempts to make it about me are nothing more than deflections from challenges posed to you. What is the value of human life you so often declare? You've consistently avoided that question. Perhaps when you actually answer my questions, I might be inclined to answer yours!
it sounds to me like what is legal and what isn't drives what you believe
is that true ?
Where did he say human life has no value? Why havent you told us that value?
"It sounds to me like" you keep avoiding the direct questions that he's asking. You recognize the question marks, right? So why do you avoid them?
No emotions here. Well other than frustration from your either refusal to listen to what I told you or you inability to understand simple concepts.So emotional!Texas abortion laws did not kill her. She simply did not recieve the best medical care or advice from the medical team in Texas that she sight care from. And once again by your own words: "ATTORNEY GENERAL DENYING A WOMAN WITH A NON VIABLE FETUS…An abortion and THREATENING TO PROSECUTE" What exactly prevented her from seeking an bortion in a different state? Did they put a shock collar around her next that would zap her if she stepped outside Texas borders?
I don't think you are like Gordy - I don't think anyone here is
I think you see unborns as valuable - but the strong liberal in you refuses to protect them. You'd protect your own with your life - I think you'd fight hard to keep a healthy grandchild from being aborted for convenience too. Maybe I'm wrong. I think you've been told all your life abortion is a Right when it never was and you cannot admit being wrong supporting it.
I was pro-abortion a long time - I changed my views with marriage, pregnancies and children, I wasn't too proud to understand I was wrong
BS.The delay caused directly by the Texas law killed her.
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