I don't believe that - I don't see evidence of that and I don't know it for sure.
again, you use a different definition that the one I posted - if the unborn was alive/heartbeat there was still a pregnancy - it appears she was in labor
you are making a LOT of assumptions (as am I) - we don't know what happened
I never said "same" and the viability is your argument, never mine
what I can tell you is that if there is a normal pregnancy there is a living human life in the womb - when that unborn life dies or is born, the pregnancy ends
that's just simple biology 101
I never said same
I really don't know what you're asking - if people on life support are dead ?? of course they're not - but they're not viable either which you're using to define alive/living .... your argument, not mine
is a person on life support alive/living in your opinion ? it seems you are arguing they are - and then saying unborns are on life support as well
1. Why don’t you believe it? I do because I have a medical degree. I know how medicine in this situation works. If both the woman and the fetus could be saved the physicians would have done their best to save both. If only one or the other could be saved they would leave this choice to the mother or the husband /family if she couldn’t speak for herself.
Clearly the fetus was non viable and certainly so at 17 weeks and given that the body had already started to expel the fetal tissue.
2. Because you have no understanding of medical practice. You’ve failed to answer my question AGAIN.
Is a person who is brain dead, only surviving due to medical technology such as intubation /dialysis etc. just as “alive” as a 16 year old boy playing soccer. ?
If the physicians remove the person from medical support , and then harvest the viable organs ( heart , liver , kidneys) to give other patients life… should the physicians be arrested for murder as if they murdered that 16year old boy playing soccer?
See you throw out these terms like “ alive” and “ value of life”. But have no real definition of such. You won’t discuss this fact and ignore it.
Yet you think you should be able to inject your “ feelings” into a medical decision where real judgements need to be made.
2. Viability isn’t my argument, you brought up value of life . But you won’t define it or discuss it. But how can viability not be an issue if value of life is to be considered???
You are making the judgment that the value of a fetus with no chance of surviving has more value than the life of the mother.
4. You know what i am asking. Do they have the same value? Remember that whole value of life you introduced? Remember your absolute REFUSAL TO define it?
So does the brain dead patient on medical support just as “ alive” have just as much “ value” as the 16 year old boy playing soccer?
if the physicians remove the medical support and harvest the organs ( heart liver kidneys) to save other patients lives. Should those doctors be charged with murder and incarcerated as if the murdered the 16 year old playing soccer?
Is that what you think? I bet not. But you have no probable getting involved in medical decisions you have no business making.
Now medical providers like myself don’t make those value judgements.
We leave it up to the person or family. If the family wants everything done? Then everything is done.
Sometimes the family /patients wishes are at odds with medical providers. I certainly have had patients/families refuse intubation or feeding tubes or other support when I think that having such support could have led to full recovery.
Why ? We saw a rash of this after the Terry Schiavo case after government intervened in medical care. Suddenly we had a surge of patients and family afraid to say put in a feeding tube because once in they felt it couldn’t be removed if the patient failed to recover.
Most certainly that case caused people to die that might have recovered.
The same thing is happening with increased abortion because of these abortion laws.
Now a provider can’t even discuss abortion . Where in a state without an abortion law.. if a woman asks about abortion a medical provider can even say “ it’s a big decision.. if you are unsure talk to your husband , to your boyfriend , to your family. You are only a couple of weeks pregnant and you can wait up to another 8 weeks to make a decision and still have time to have a medical abortion. “
But now woman can’t discuss it and are being forced into making a rash decision on abortion before say a heart beat is detected or they start to show etc. which is likely in part why abortions rates have increased.