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Can Donald Trump Pardon Rudy Giuliani? (1 Viewer)

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Can Donald Trump pardon Rudy Giuliani?

Guliani is facing two criminal trails and a defamation judgement.
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11.28.24
Donald Trump cannot grant Rudy Giuliani a pardon from his two criminal indictments, legal experts have told Newsweek. Trump, Giuliani and 17 others were indicted over election fraud in Georgia following their actions during the 2020 presidential election. Both Trump and Giuliani pleaded not guilty. In May 2024, Giuliani, a former mayor of New York, was indicted on similar charges in Arizona. He has also pleaded not guilty in that case. While Trump likely cannot be put on trial in Georgia for the four years that he will be president, Giuliani's trial could continue. Separately, Giuliani is facing enforcement proceedings after losing a $148 million defamation case taken by two Georgia election workers he wrongly accused of rigging the 2020 election for Joe Biden.

Los Angeles-based lawyer, John Perlstein, told Newsweek that Trump cannot pardon Giuliani from the Georgia election workers' lawsuit. "There is no such thing as a pardon in a civil case so Mr. Giuliani will remain beholden to the two election workers for the rest of his life, and potentially afterward as the estate would remain liable if there are any assets in the estate," he said. "As for criminal proceedings, there are no pardons available to the president for state crimes, only for federal crimes," Perlstein added. New York University law professor, Stephen Gillers, agreed that Trump cannot pardon Giuliani. "The president's pardon power extends only to federal criminal liability. It has no bearing on civil liability or state criminal liability," he told Newsweek.
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Giuliani was convicted of defaming Georgia election workers Wandrea “Shaye” Moss and Ruby Freeman and ordered to pay pay more than $148 million in damages. Giuliani was indicted in Georgia for 13 counts including RICO, and various conspiracy cfharges related to the 2020 election. Giuliani is among a group of former President Donald Trump’s allies indicted in Arizona alongside the 11 individuals who acted as fake GOP electors from the state in the 2020 presidential election. Giuliani has been disbarred, and is liquidating his assets to begin paying damages to the two Georgia election workers, who are now in possession of Giuliani's Manhattan apartment.

Giuliani remains a die-hard Trump/MAGA supporter. Trump has largely discarded the ruined Rudy Giuliani.
 
He can do anything he wants now. He didn't just break the law. He broke the legal system.
 
OrphanSlug said:
Giuliani's charges are all at the state level, this is a nonstarter conversation when it comes to some pardon from Lord Cheeto.
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He could still try or brag about it.
Think about it, we are talking about a man who just lied about Mexico for all the world to see.
 
Technically no because state vs. federal charges.

But who the hell knows, at this juncture we live in interesting times 😂
 
Rexedgar said:
Trump has been all about “non-starter” conversations.
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That is a fair point, every so often I forget how little Trump knows about or respects any aspect of the Constitution, our system of laws, etc.
 
Abso****inglutely by this scotus—and Vance can pardon Trump after the 2028 election.

(Could a low-polling Trump resign due to ‘health’ reasons before the
2026 elections, gaining sympathy and preventing the loss of the House?)

Hey Democrats, try thinking like Republicans for a change.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Giuliani was convicted
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STOP RIGHT THERE!!!

He was not "convicted" of anything.

He was found guilty in a civil suit. There is a difference.

Rogue Valley said:
of defaming Georgia election workers Wandrea “Shaye” Moss and Ruby Freeman and ordered to pay pay more than $148 million in damages. Giuliani was indicted in Georgia for 13 counts including RICO, and various conspiracy cfharges related to the 2020 election. Giuliani is among a group of former President Donald Trump’s allies indicted in Arizona alongside the 11 individuals who acted as fake GOP electors from the state in the 2020 presidential election. Giuliani has been disbarred, and is liquidating his assets to begin paying damages to the two Georgia election workers, who are now in possession of Giuliani's Manhattan apartment.

Giuliani remains a die-hard Trump/MAGA supporter. Trump has largely discarded the ruined Rudy Giuliani.
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Now...it IS true that corrupt people have conducted a massive, multi-pronged lawfare attack against this man...for no other reason than the fact that he supports Trump. This entire affair, with the civil and criminal attacks brought against him, is a shit stain on the entire Trump hating portion of the American populace.

I hope Trump's DOJ can find time to investigate the civil rights violations against him...and against a whole slew of other Trump supporters who have faced similar lawfare.
 
Under current law?
No, Rudy has been found guilty of state charges.
Presidential pardons can not be done on state offenses.
However, with federal judges and SC judges in his pocket could that change?
Possibly.
 
Yes. He's a victim of lawfare just like Trump, but that guy had it coming to him. I thought him and Trump had a falling out.
 
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Rudy is nothing but a tragic reminder of what happens to loyal fools who think they're important to a soulless diabolical monster when they are no longer of value.

There will be many many to follow.
 
dmpi said:
Yes. He's a victim of lawfare just like Trump, but that got had it coming to him. I thought him and Trump had a falling out.
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Rudy is a 'victim' of placing his loyalties to someone who has no ethical or moral groundings.
Rudy has no one to blame for his legal troubles other than himself.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
I'd like this 100 times if I could...
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She’s driving us out of the ‘confederate flags’ flying proudly in the state of Iowa now.
You and I are the older, mod//con DEMs who know how to fight these nixonites.

Both our states need to gain back congressional districts through
reapportionment in 2030, and your NY just flipped 3 House seats in 2024.
 
Jessie C said:
Rudy is nothing but a tragic reminder of what happens to loyal fools who think they're important to a soulless diabolical monster when they are no longer of value.

There will be many many to follow.
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Ghouliani was a piece of shit way before Trump came along.
 
Mycroft said:
STOP RIGHT THERE!!!

He was not "convicted" of anything.

He was found guilty in a civil suit. There is a difference.
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Semantics. Giuliani was found guilty of Defamation. He lied to the entire country about those two Georgia black election workers and ruined their lives.

Giuliani must have been convinced that these African-American women wouldn't receive justice in the American system. But they did.

There must be a special place in Hell for neer-do-wells like Rudy Giuliani.
 
Even if he could he wouldn't unless somehow the charges against Rudy would bring out the truth about Trump. Trump hates losers
 
Rogue Valley said:
Semantics. Giuliani was found guilty of Defamation. He lied to the entire country about those two Georgia black election workers and ruined their lives.

Giuliani must have been convinced that these African-American women wouldn't receive justice in the American system. But they did.

There must be a special place in Hell for neer-do-wells like Rudy Giuliani.
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Giuliani was neither convicted nor found guilty. Those are potential outcomes in criminal cases, not civil cases. Giuliani was found liable for defamation.

apnews.com

Judge holds Giuliani liable in Georgia election workers' defamation case for withholding information

A federal judge has held Rudy Giuliani liable in a defamation lawsuit brought by two Georgia election workers who say they were falsely accused of fraud.
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Jagged said:
Giuliani was neither convicted nor found guilty. Those are potential outcomes in criminal cases, not civil cases. Giuliani was found liable for defamation.

apnews.com

Judge holds Giuliani liable in Georgia election workers' defamation case for withholding information

A federal judge has held Rudy Giuliani liable in a defamation lawsuit brought by two Georgia election workers who say they were falsely accused of fraud.
apnews.com apnews.com
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He was indeed found liable for the defamation of Georgia election workers Wandrea “Shaye” Moss and her mother, Ruby Freeman.

Mr. Giuliani has also been disbarred in New York and the District of Columbia. Any problems with that statement?
 
hooligan said:
A valid point, but still a distinction without a difference within the context of this discussion.
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Nonsense.

Words have meaning and there are definite differences. You cannot say he was convicted when he was not.
 
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