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Can China's new destroyer defeat the F-35 ? Is the F-35 another Brewster F2A Buffalo

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tecoyah said:
......Uh......Warfare, technology, strategy, opponents....pretty much everything.
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No, nothing has changed. Technology has not appreciably changed in 40 years, let alone 20.

Most of the equipment I use today is the same as what I used 30 years ago. And is little changed from what my uncle used 15 years before that.
 
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Oozlefinch said:
Of course China is not using Russian Jet engines. Russia caught them stealing their technology and refuse to sell them any. And China has had horrible problems with their own engines.
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I don't think Russia "caught" the Chinese stealing their technology.

They simply saw an opportunity to make some money from the Chinese before they inevitably caught up. So to Chinese would be hooked on Russian tech and arms sales for a bit longer.

The J-15 Uses the Ws-10a which is actually based on the core of the CFM International CFM56 high bypass turbofan imported from the USA in the 1980's and is not totally based on Russian engine technology.

No doubt the Chinese will have incorporated some Russian idea's, along with their own research into the design.

Quality control was an issue on the earlier engines as they switched back to Russian engines temporarily on J-11's, but now the J-15 run appears to be only using the ws-10 it seems they have the quality issues sorted out.
 
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Re: Can China's new destroyer defeat the F-35 ? Is the F-35 another Brewster F2A Buff

Oozlefinch said:
No, nothing has changed. Technology has not appreciably changed in 40 years, let alone 20.

Most of the equipment I use today is the same as what I used 30 years ago. And is little changed from what my uncle used 15 years before that.
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Whatever you say....I recommend you explain this to fighter pilots, Navy commanders, and infantry troops.
 
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Oozlefinch said:
No, nothing has changed. Technology has not appreciably changed in 40 years, let alone 20.

Most of the equipment I use today is the same as what I used 30 years ago. And is little changed from what my uncle used 15 years before that.
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Technology has moved on vastly in the areas of medicine, computing, materials science, physics etc...

How would you explain to someone 30 years ago that you could access the entirety of information known to man on a device smaller than the palm of your hand?
 
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jbi said:
Technology has moved on vastly in the areas of medicine, computing, materials science, physics etc...

How would you explain to someone 30 years ago that you could access the entirety of information known to man on a device smaller than the palm of your hand?
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Has nothing to do with military equipment, tactics, strategy, and capabilities.

But please, give me some specifics that would render what was done and used 30 years ago obsolete.
 
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Oozlefinch said:
Has nothing to do with military equipment, tactics, strategy, and capabilities.

But please, give me some specifics that would render what was done and used 30 years ago obsolete.
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Information warfare?
Radar invisible aircraft?
Drones?
Satellite guided weaponry?
Battery technology?

A good example would be the USA going in to Iraq...
 
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jbi said:
Information warfare?
Radar invisible aircraft?
Drones?
Satellite guided weaponry?
Battery technology?

A good example would be the USA going in to Iraq...
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And how was 2003 majorly different then 1990? Or 1987? Or 1983?

You keep saying things that mean nothing and make no sense. Give us a direct example, not just throw around generalities and think it proves your point, because it does not.
 
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jbi said:
Technology has moved on vastly in the areas of medicine, computing, materials science, physics etc...

How would you explain to someone 30 years ago that you could access the entirety of information known to man on a device smaller than the palm of your hand?
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Over forty six years ago people were watching Star Trek. Nobody had a problem understanding it.

A few years later the internet was created for the Air Force.
 
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Oozlefinch said:
And how was 2003 majorly different then 1990? Or 1987? Or 1983?

You keep saying things that mean nothing and make no sense. Give us a direct example, not just throw around generalities and think it proves your point, because it does not.
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Okay than, you keep your A4 skyhawk, and I will engage you in my F-22 raptor
 
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APACHERAT said:
Over forty six years ago people were watching Star Trek. Nobody had a problem understanding it.

A few years later the internet was created for the Air Force.
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Yes because the internet of today bears ANY resemblance to the military hotlink set up in the cold war.

Tim Berners Lee allowed our current day web to exist.
 
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jbi said:
Okay than, you keep your A4 skyhawk, and I will engage you in my F-22 raptor
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That is not the point!

You are saying that warfare has changed, but all you point to is the tools used.

Yes, weapons change. But the ways they are used change very little. We do not use the M-1903 or M-1 anymore, but squad envelopment and rushes are still common tactics for infantrymen on the battlefield. modern fighter jets are vastly different from the Hellcats of WWII, but the tactics of air to air combat and dogfighting has really changed very little.

Aircraft rarely drop bombs on ships, but now use missiles when possible. But that has not really changed how air to ship combat is done (and as we saw in the Malvinas, bombs can still be highly effective in the right circumstances).

So once again, tell me how technology in the last 20-30 years has vastly changed how combat itself is conducted. Because for all your insistence it is true, you yet to show a single instance of this happening.
 
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jbi said:
Yes because the internet of today bears ANY resemblance to the military hotlink set up in the cold war.

Tim Berners Lee allowed our current day web to exist.
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I heard something the other night, if the military knew what the internet was to become, they would have kept it classified and never allowed the development of the WWW as we know it today.

The internet has dumbed down America and the world, you have a misinformed populace, porn, nobody reading books or newspapers. Even young adults who can't write with a pen and paper (cursive). A generation who can't interact verbally with others. Couch potatoes, not from watching television.
 
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jbi said:
Okay than, you keep your A4 skyhawk, and I will engage you in my F-22 raptor
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He might take out your air base before you can take off.

BTW: The A-4 is an attack aircraft not a fighter. But it's shot down more than a few Mig's over the decades.
 
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tecoyah said:
It is extremely unlikely an f35 or any aircraft would be used to sink a ship.

The radar onboard is useless against the submarine that will target it.
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Why wouldn't an aircraft be used to sink a ship?
 
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APACHERAT said:
The internet has dumbed down America and the world, you have a misinformed populace, porn, nobody reading books or newspapers. Even young adults who can't write with a pen and paper (cursive). A generation who can't interact verbally with others. Couch potatoes, not from watching television.
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Yes I can't argue with that
 
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Porchev said:
Why wouldn't an aircraft be used to sink a ship?
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There are far more effective means of doing so, with less risk.
 
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tecoyah said:
There are far more effective means of doing so, with less risk.
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There should always be multiple options in warfare and there are no plans to discount aircraft as a means to attack a ship. As a matter of fact, capabilities for attacking ships with aircraft (to include the F-35) are being expanded with such things as net-enabled weapons which give an aircraft an option to fire from far away and use other aircraft with long range sensors to help guide it in to the target.

Net-Enabled Weapons Drive Sea Warfare Change | AWIN content from Aviation Week

The Aviationist » Joint Strike Missile (JSM) anti-ship and land-attack missile for the F-35 unveiled
 
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I suppose there is only one real way to find out.
 
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APACHERAT said:
He might take out your air base before you can take off.

BTW: The A-4 is an attack aircraft not a fighter. But it's shot down more than a few Mig's over the decades.
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Which all points back to the fact that even though some in here speak quite passionately about something, they really have absolutely no idea what they are talking about.
 
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Porchev said:
Why wouldn't an aircraft be used to sink a ship?
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They would be used. In fact, I can't think of a single ship to ship military engagement in the last 30 years that did not involve aircraft but other ships.

And I mean military engagement, not harassment where some patrol boat shoots at another patrol boat with no serious damage against either side.

The era of boats trying to sink boats as a major military strategy went out the window in WWII.

tecoyah said:
There are far more effective means of doing so, with less risk.
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And how do you think 2 ships would engage themselves in a modern Navy in the 21st century? Broadsides and boarding parties, crossing the T then sailing in with cutlass in teeth?

Porchev said:
There should always be multiple options in warfare and there are no plans to discount aircraft as a means to attack a ship. As a matter of fact, capabilities for attacking ships with aircraft (to include the F-35) are being expanded with such things as net-enabled weapons which give an aircraft an option to fire from far away and use other aircraft with long range sensors to help guide it in to the target.
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I think what strikes me the most is that all of these people who are commenting here are completely and absolutely ignoring the history of Naval Warfare since 1938.

Ibet they would not even recognize the significance of the Battle of Leyte Gulf, and Coral Sea.
 
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braindrain said:
How are you planning on making the target you are conducting surveillance on not see the two guys holding the ropes.
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It's very technical.
 
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