Can a Liberal explain this to me?

[Linc]

Look at me, Linc......multi-quoting like a pro.Thanks, professor.

Nice job Radio..When someone comes at me with "you lie" and the rest of their spew, I love to slice-and-dice with muliti-quote..I still don't know how to bring in two or more different posters or two or more different posts to really slam them back..Your last game at AZ could be your key but this sunday's game at NO should tell us a lot about your running game, since NO is awful on run-defense..

 

[Linc]

Bachmann on Foreign Intelligence--a good reason for the NSA on the home front..

Good point.
Has Michele renounced her Swiss citizenship yet?

 

[American]

Liberalism is anything but what you say it was in your baiting and flaming terms..
Your post may as well be stating that liberalism is anything wrong that has ever happened..

Pretty much. :lol:

j/k

 

[AlabamaPaul]

Nice job Radio..When someone comes at me with "you lie" and the rest of their spew, I love to slice-and-dice with muliti-quote..I still don't know how to bring in two or more different posters or two or more different posts to really slam them back..Your last game at AZ could be your key but this sunday's game at NO should tell us a lot about your running game, since NO is awful on run-defense..

When you "Reply With Quote" it gives you all the constructs you need to do this, and if you want more information look at the "BB Code is on" link at the bottom of the page even a chemistry/physics teacher could figure it out...

 

[radioman]

Your last game at AZ could be your key but this sunday's game at NO should tell us a lot about your running game, since NO is awful on run-defense..

Yeah, but NO puts up a ridiculous amount of points in a very short period of time.
Lack of consistent pressure on Cam Newton cost us last Sunday.
Brees with some time can be brutal and NO's entire offense seemed really quick last Sunday.
Not too optimistic.......but anything can happen and we beat NO in the dome last year.
What's the spread, Mr. Las Vegas?

 

[radioman]

When you "Reply With Quote" it gives you all the constructs you need to do this, and if you want more information look at the "BB Code is on" link at the bottom of the page even a chemistry/physics teacher could figure it out...

Thank you, Professor AP.

 

[AlabamaPaul]

Thank you, Professor AP.

No problem rm. How ya doing?

 

[radioman]

No problem rm. How ya doing?

Pretty good, AP.
I'm hoping Stanford manages to sneak into the big game against 'bama. ( fat chance ).

 

[AlabamaPaul]

Pretty good, AP.
I'm hoping Stanford manages to sneak into the big game against 'bama. ( fat chance ).

Yeah, I don't see that happening, but stranger things have happened. A loss earlier, rather than later, in the season can be an advantage when teams that are ahead lose later in the season...

 

[Linc]

NO - 3 at home is not very respectful of NO..47.5 for o/u..
The books know SF matches up well with NO's ****ty run defense..
Even the Cowgirls ran on NO in the first half..

Yeah, but NO puts up a ridiculous amount of points in a very short period of time.
Lack of consistent pressure on Cam Newton cost us last Sunday.

Too bad for CAR that they have a brutal schedule from here on out..

 

[Linc]

Even a dumb-ass chem/physics teacher can teach others..I did give you public kudos a few times for helping me..Thanks..

When you "Reply With Quote" it gives you all the constructs you need to do this, and if you want more information look at the "BB Code is on" link at the bottom of the page even a chemistry/physics teacher could figure it out...

 

[radioman]

NO - 3 at home is not very respectful of NO..47.5 for o/u..
The books know SF matches up well with NO's ****ty run defense..
..

Stanford was able to beat a high-flying Oregon Duck offense by controlling the ball for 42+ minutes.
Works for me.
Actually, that works for everyone, right?

 

[AlabamaPaul]

Even a dumb-ass chem/physics teacher can teach others..I did give you public kudos a few times for helping me..Thanks..

:mrgreen: I know you're capable...

 

[Linc]

But if Alabama loses to Auburn or in their SEC title game, I just don't see the BCS letting in Ohio State or Stanford..

Stanford was able to beat a high-flying Oregon Duck offense by controlling the ball for 42+ minutes.
Works for me.Actually, that works for everyone, right?

Alabama has a seasoned two-way offense, Oregon not so much..
Florida State will have to play a more perfect game to beat alabama but they must still win their ACC title, no gimme .

 

[AlabamaPaul]

But if Alabama loses to Auburn or in their SEC title game, I just don't see the BCS letting in Ohio State or Stanford..

Alabama has a seasoned two-way offense, Oregon not so much..
Florida State will have to play a more perfect game to beat alabama but they must still win their ACC title, no gimme .

Bama will not lose to a one dimensional barn team...

 

[Truckstop]

Jesus.

Some Americans on this board really have such a pre-disposition to feeling victimized.

Wahhh I live in an authoritarian state because I can't buy ****ty lightbulbs and toilet seats.

None of you would know authoritarianism if it came up and bit you in the ass.

There are people in this world who live under harsh regimes that would give anything to be where you guys are.

Jesus.

Some Americans on this board really have such a pre-disposition to feeling victimized.

Wahhh I'm poor because I can't buy the 80in tv or a second car.

None of you would know poor if it came up and bit you in the ass.

There are people in this world who live under harsh regimes that would give anything to be where you guys are.

Wait, what a ****ing stupid argument.

 

[cpwill]

what were conservatrives saying--I hadn't retired yet and was not online--are you going to start with the Cheney rewrite of history

:shrug: I largely ignored Cheney unless I was having a good time with the whole shooting-people-in-the-face thing.

no: 2007/2008 time frame was the birth of what became the Tea Party - which started as a Conservative revolt against Bush for overspending and expanding government.

 

[Linc]

:shrug: I largely ignored Cheney unless I was having a good time with the whole shooting-people-in-the-face thing.

When I see the word Cheney, I see a co-POTUS who chaired the energy committee in secrecy in 2001 and ignored al Qaeda..

no: 2007/2008 time frame was the birth of what became the Tea Party -
which started as a Conservative revolt against Bush for overspending and expanding government.

I give all kudos to Glen Beck who revved up the TEA-engine in 2009 by using FOX..
Glen is now on a crusade against Christie .

 

[Hard Truth]

It's odd that left wingers are most concerned about the effects of authoritarianism on free speech when they so often want to deny it to others. What are "hate speech" and speech codes all about?

This liberal has never supported "hate speech" and speech codes. There is not much of a movement from anyone in the USA to make those law. They are used on some colleges, which I don't support either, and think is unconstitutional when it is a publicly funded college. Most liberals, but not all, are very strong defenders of the first amendment, which is why I and others support the ACLU.

Let me remind you that it is mostly conservatives who support censorship in the form of indecency and obscenity laws, especially for television and radio. Conservatives have also consistently opposed whistleblower laws.

 

[Kobie]

This liberal has never supported "hate speech" and speech codes. There is not much of a movement from anyone in the USA to make those law. They are used on some colleges, which I don't support either, and think is unconstitutional when it is a publicly funded college. Most liberals, but not all, are very strong defenders of the first amendment, which is why I and others support the ACLU.

Let me remind you that it is mostly conservatives who support censorship in the form of indecency and obscenity laws, especially for television and radio. Conservatives have also consistently opposed whistleblower laws.

It's always projection with so many conservatives. The little man in the radio told them "liberals" hate free speech, and some blog cherry picked a few random samples of ostensibly left-leaning groups yelling at Ann Coulter, and all of a sudden *BOOM* it's gospel truth, liberals hate free speech. It's irritating when conservatives like LowDown try to make a cottage industry out of telling us what we believe.

 

[Hard Truth]

Bush[/i] for overspending and expanding government.

".....Commentaries on origin
Fox News Channel commentator Juan Williams argues that the Tea Party movement emerged from the "ashes" of Ron Paul's 2008 presidential primary campaign.[65] Others have argued that the Koch brothers were essential in fostering the movement.[66][67] In 2013, a study published in the journal Tobacco Control concluded that organizations within the movement were connected with non-profit organizations that the tobacco industry and other corporate interests worked with and provided funding for,[68][69] including groups Citizens for a Sound Economy (founded by the Koch brothers).[70][71] Al Gore cited the study and said that the connections between "market fundamentalists", the tobacco industry and the Tea Party could be traced to a 1971 memo from tobacco lawyer Lewis F. Powell, Jr. who advocated more political power for corporations. Gore said that the Tea Party is an extension of this political strategy "to promote corporate profit at the expense of the public good."[72]

Early local protest eventsOn January 24, 2009, Trevor Leach, chairman of the Young Americans for Liberty in New York State organized a "Tea Party" to protest obesity taxes proposed by New York Governor David Paterson and call for fiscal responsibility on the part of the government. Several of the protesters wore Native American headdresses similar to the band of 18th century colonists who dumped tea in Boston Harbor to express outrage about British taxes.[73]

Some of the protests were partially in response to several Federal laws: the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008,[74] the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009,[75][76] and a series of healthcare reform bills.[77]

New York Times journalist Kate Zernike reported that leaders within the Tea Party credit Seattle blogger and conservative activist Keli Carender with organizing the first Tea Party in February 2009, although the term "Tea Party" was not used.[78] Other articles, written by Chris Good of The Atlantic[79] and NPR's Martin Kaste,[80] credit Carender as "one of the first" Tea Party organizers and state that she "organized some of the earliest Tea Party-style protests"....."
Tea Party movement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Although there was some conservative opposition to the first round of bailouts inititated by Bush, the Tea Party had no national visibility until the time that Obama's election appeared likely. The Tea Party has always focused on cutting government programs that benefit the poor and mostly exclude from criticism the wars, military-intelligence-law enforcement spending, farm subsidies or any other corporate subsidies, so they had little disagreement with Bush. Opposition to the Affordable Care Act was the position that gave them the most momentum. The Tea Party was primarilly a reaction to Obama's election, ACA and the second round of bailouts.

 

[Hard Truth]

How about Democrats and left wingers? Is there a faction that wants smaller and less intrusive government? I'd love to find out that there is and hear about some examples, but I don't think that it exists.

Many liberals, especially those who identify with peace movement, would drastically shrink the government in the areas of military, intelligence and law enforcement spending. All we would need to do is close most of our hundreds of overseas military bases, get out of the business of being the world police, stop spying on people without suspicion, and stop locking up people for victimless crimes and we could fund most other federal government programs adequately and lower taxes drastically. Doing so would also increase employment and stimulate the economy since military spending is not an efficient way to use tax dollars to benefit the overall economy.

 

[LowDown]

Many liberals, especially those who identify with peace movement, would drastically shrink the government in the areas of military, intelligence and law enforcement spending. All we would need to do is close most of our hundreds of overseas military bases, get out of the business of being the world police, stop spying on people without suspicion, and stop locking up people for victimless crimes and we could fund most other federal government programs adequately and lower taxes drastically. Doing so would also increase employment and stimulate the economy since military spending is not an efficient way to use tax dollars to benefit the overall economy.

I see. So you don't think the US has enemies. We would become an isolationist totalitarian state. That would be tantamount to suicide. National defense is one of those areas in which libertarians regard government as necessary. You guys showering yourselves with goodies? Not so much.

 

[chromium]

If she ever identified as liberal she's only fooling herself, or a traitor for this. I haven't followed her career closely enough to know which is more accurate.

 

[Hard Truth]

Those on the left^H^H^H^Hwrong long positioned themselves as champions of “free speech”, as long as the “speech” under question was that which served no positive purpose, and was only degrading, harmful, and immoral. Stuff like obscene language, pornography, and so on. This is the “free speech” that those on the wrong support. When it comes to religious expression, expression of beliefs and opinions that they do not like, and so on, then we see how they really stand on free speech.

It's not just “speech” that the wrong is this way about. “Freedom” in general. “Freedom” to murder unborn children. “Freedom” to abuse harmful drugs. “Freedom” to engage in all manner of sexual immorality, and to promote this immorality as being somehow “normal and proper”. “Freedom” to live as a worthless parasite, making a lifetime career of taking government welfare benefits instead of working to support one's self through honest work.

When it comes to genuine, meaningful freedoms, such as the right to keep and bear arms, the right to hold and express controversial beliefs and opinions, the right to practice one's religion in peace, the right to make an honest living through one's own labor, the right to keep the fruits of one's own labor for one's own use, the right to determine with what values one's own children will be raised, and so on; we find that those on the wrong are the most solidly opposed to genuine freedom.

That post explains the difference between the right and left wing quite well; right wing misinformation and lies. The right simply does not accurately understand the left.

Liberals don't want to suppress anyone's religion, we just don't want tax-payer funded school staff shoving it down our kid's throats at school. We also don't want you using our public spaces as if it was your private property or church.

Liberals don't want the law used to stop you from saying anything we disagree with it, but we are going to speak out and call you on it publicly when you say something factually wrong and hateful.

You are right about one thing: We definitely do not want the government coming into our bedrooms or our book or video stores and telling us which sex positions are moral or not, which books we can read and which movies we can watch.

No one intentuionally supports any policy that allows or encourages people capable of working living to live off government benefits for life.

You do not have to right to dictate what is taught to everyone in school because recently establshed facts contradict your worldview.

We want you to enjoy the fruits of your labor, but everyone needs to pay their share for all the services the government provides you such as roads, airports, police and fire department, schools, hospitals, courts, defense etc.

Your rights end where another person's begins. You have no right to harm others just to make money.