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CHICAGO (CBS) — A Chicago pastor has asked the Emanuel administration to remove the names of two presidents who owned slaves from parks on the South Side, saying the city should not honor slave owners in black communities.

A bronze statue of George Washington on horseback stands at the corner of 51st and King Drive, at the northwest entrance to Washington Park.

Pastor Wants Presidents’ Names Removed From Parks Over Ties To Slavery « CBS Chicago

Yup bring it down!

Tucker Carlson asked his guest last night...

How about removing Robert Byrd’s name from places?

Her reply... In time

This is just the beginning folks.

they will not stop until they have removed every symbol of our history.
 
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CHICAGO (CBS) — A Chicago pastor has asked the Emanuel administration to remove the names of two presidents who owned slaves from parks on the South Side, saying the city should not honor slave owners in black communities.

A bronze statue of George Washington on horseback stands at the corner of 51st and King Drive, at the northwest entrance to Washington Park.

Pastor Wants Presidents’ Names Removed From Parks Over Ties To Slavery « CBS Chicago

Yup bring it down!
One call! Wow!!!
 
CHICAGO (CBS) — A Chicago pastor has asked the Emanuel administration to remove the names of two presidents who owned slaves from parks on the South Side, saying the city should not honor slave owners in black communities.

A bronze statue of George Washington on horseback stands at the corner of 51st and King Drive, at the northwest entrance to Washington Park.

Pastor Wants Presidents’ Names Removed From Parks Over Ties To Slavery « CBS Chicago

Yup bring it down!

Tucker Carlson asked his guest last night...

How about removing Robert Byrd’s name from places?

Her reply... In time

This is just the beginning folks.

they will not stop until they have removed every symbol of our history.

Omg wow a person calls for it so it HAS to be a majority because one person calling for something has to be representative of the majority right? So that one preacher that called for the execution of gays HAS to be representative of the right wanting to kill gays right?
 
Omg wow a person calls for it so it HAS to be a majority because one person calling for something has to be representative of the majority right? So that one preacher that called for the execution of gays HAS to be representative of the right wanting to kill gays right?


representative of the majority

Majority of Louisianans oppose removing Confederate statues CBS
 
representative of the majority

Majority of Louisianans oppose removing Confederate statues CBS
If their lege goes along with them, then that is their call while the rest of the nation calls them foul names.

It's the American way!
 
Why is it wrong? Wow!!!

...well?

Should we honor wealthy southern whites who owned slaves and rebelled against central government because they believed in the primacy of local government, or not?
 
...well?

Should we honor wealthy southern whites who owned slaves and rebelled against central government because they believed in the primacy of local government, or not?
GW was a slave owner, but he was no sort of advanced neo-libertarian small or local government type in the slightest. He and Alexander Hamilton and James Madison were all big government types for the day and the age, and they all backed the supremacy clause in the Constitution.
 
CHICAGO (CBS) — A Chicago pastor has asked the Emanuel administration to remove the names of two presidents who owned slaves from parks on the South Side, saying the city should not honor slave owners in black communities.

A bronze statue of George Washington on horseback stands at the corner of 51st and King Drive, at the northwest entrance to Washington Park.

Pastor Wants Presidents’ Names Removed From Parks Over Ties To Slavery « CBS Chicago

Yup bring it down!

Tucker Carlson asked his guest last night...

How about removing Robert Byrd’s name from places?

Her reply... In time

This is just the beginning folks.

they will not stop until they have removed every symbol of our history.

I'm going to reverse your logic to show you how flawed it is.

If we don't remove Robert E. Lee's statue people will want to put up statues to Hitler and Stalin. The white nationalists already want to put up statues to Hitler.

It's a poor argument because A doesn't necessarily imply B.

Removing confederate statues doesn't necessarily mean non-confederate statues will be removed. Why would it? That irrational leap in logic.

You should stick to the present argument. Should we honor Confederate leaders who fought against the Union and to protect slavery?
 
No say it isn't so. Even you don't know the difference between Washington and Lee? The Idiocracy has begun!

No, cpwill has a point. I always say while I hate doing philosophy I respect the field of philosophy, it teaches you how to think more clearly. Logic is a branch of philosophy and all branches of philosophy, as well science, draw upon logic. Logic and math are closely related.

Anyways, emotional appeals are not appeals to reason.

There are differences between Washington and Lee (but then no two humans on earth are exactly alike, not even identical twins) but there are arguably similarities too. George Washington did profit off of a tortured based business in the United States. The enslavement of black people and the ownership of a plantation.

Personally, I'm biased against the Confederacy, their monuments, and their symbols. I really have no love for them. I can tolerate them like I tolerate anti-Christian leftist and anti-Christians on the right.

But this whole thing got me to thinking--thinking about a relation to religious statues, art, and monuments I never thought of before: iconoclasm. I've only ever associated that word with opposition and even destruction of religious art and monuments. Like the Muslim Taliban blowing up and destroying a large Buddhist mountain carving of Buddha or a thousand years old. I'm not even Buddhist and the complete obliteration (not even theft and relocation--at least the art remains) of such an ancient work of art hurt my heart. In a certain way old things like that belong to all humanity. Certainly mostly to Buddhist but nonetheless to the rest of us that can view it.

So, I googled up the word iconoclasm, and I see it can be used in the political realm too.



Iconoclastic - definition of iconoclastic by The Free Dictionary

i·con·o·clast (ī-kŏn′ə-klăst′)
n.
1. One who attacks and seeks to overthrow traditional or popular ideas or institutions.
2. One who destroys sacred religious images.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iconoclasm

Iconoclasm[Note 1] is the social belief in the importance of the destruction of usually religious icons and other images or monuments, most frequently for religious or political reasons. Over time, the word, usually in the adjectival form, has also come to refer to aggressive statements or actions against any well-established status quo. It is a frequent component of major political or religious changes.



I know the left generally champions American Satanist anytime they want to build monuments like this: Detroit'''s Satanic Statue Has A Political Point to Make | Time.com

Hundreds Gather for Unveiling of Satanic Statue in Detroit

Nash Jenkins
Jul 27, 2015

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I'm 200% intolerant of Satanic statues. I can tolerate Confederate statues, Buddhist Statues, feminist statues etc.... but I'm all for taking a sledge hammer or explosives to Satanic monuments. Particularly when they have glee over showing images that they are targeting children.

But I'll be turn a iconoclast of Confederate statues if the left will agree to become iconoclasts of Satanic statues and protect the Christian symbols of the historical USA.
 
No say it isn't so. Even you don't know the difference between Washington and Lee? The Idiocracy has begun!
One was married to the others' granddaughter, but both were wealthy slave owning Southerners who nonetheless found that institution immoral and freed their slaves, who rebelled against central government based on their belief in the primacy of local representative government, had a storied military career in previous wars and therefore became the most notable commanders in those rebellions. One was magnanimous in victory and saved his nation from much follow-on struggle through his example, and one was magnanimous in defeat (which agreeably is more difficult) and saved his nation from much follow-on struggle through his example.


Lee is a really bad target for your ire. Stick with Bedford Forrest, or the actual terrorists of the KKK.
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representative of the majority

Majority of Louisianans oppose removing Confederate statues CBS

Fake news poll!!!!!! Isn't that what you say when you hear a poll you don't like?

Look I'm all for a poll like you mentioned but on the ballot. Let the voters or their representsives go on record for it. Then we'll see who's for it or not.
 
I'm 200% intolerant of Satanic statues. I can tolerate Confederate statues, Buddhist Statues, feminist statues etc.... but I'm all for taking a sledge hammer or explosives to Satanic monuments. Particularly when they have glee over showing images that they are targeting children.

But I'll be turn a iconoclast of Confederate statues if the left will agree to become iconoclasts of Satanic statues and protect the Christian symbols of the historical USA.

I guess I'm on the Left and wouldn't tolerate Satanic statues. I doubt many on the left are pro-Satanic statues. And Satanist only want to troll religious people.

Also, I think removing statues is part of a natural process where people look back on their history from a different perspective. I'm sure statues of Stalin and Mao have come down or will come down.
 
One call! Wow!!!

One loonball is all it takes to get a whole bunch of them riled up.

I read a book of the zombie genre where some of the zombies would let out screeching noises when they locked onto the scent of a live person, which basically caused a stampede of zombies to show up.

That sums up SJWs to a T when they get a burr up their asses over something.
 
One loonball is all it takes to get a whole bunch of them riled up.

I read a book of the zombie genre where some of the zombies would let out screeching noises when they locked onto the scent of a live person, which basically caused a stampede of zombies to show up.

That sums up SJWs to a T when they get a burr up their asses over something.
Yes, you must live in a fantasy world. Have you found a second to the first for the removal?
 
I guess I'm on the Left and wouldn't tolerate Satanic statues. I doubt many on the left are pro-Satanic statues. And Satanist only want to troll religious people.

Also, I think removing statues is part of a natural process where people look back on their history from a different perspective. I'm sure statues of Stalin and Mao have come down or will come down.

Maybe so, but why not take down statues or mountain carved monuments to George Washington too? People were tortured on his plantation. And when I say tortured I mean exactly that.

I'm not a real fan of George Washington. If he lived in 1960s Chicago in a penthouse, his painted portraits of himself hanging on his walls, would make him look like a white pimp beside a long line of black Chicago pimps.


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General Lee's wife was an adopted descendant of George Washington, supposedly, and she supposedly inherited a vast slave plantation network from him. Lee and his wife used those black slaves too pay off their financial debts.

Stalin is Stalin but Russia--the Czar--helped Lincoln and the North defeat the Southern Confederacy. The British, French, and Papacy were sympathizers of the Confederacy. I remember reading in a pro-Catholic book (I think authored by a Southerner of the USA) that the Pope sent Confederate President Jefferson Davis a crown of thorns after he surrendered to the North.

The Brits had considered attacking the USA, supporting the Confederacy and burning New York City to the ground, and then pushing their greater influence into American affairs. Kind of like they did with large empires like India latter on, dividing the India into Pakistan and Hindu India after they the Brits left. And having a strong alliance with Pakistan.

The Russians sent in naval ships and authorized them to be placed under the control of Lincoln in the event the Brits launched a naval attack on New York City.

Fast forward to year 2017 and I bet the Russians see how much a mistake that was to support the Union. Now you have descendants of emancipated black slaves beating war drums to attack Russia and for the US to support its Nazi enemies in the Ukraine.



http://www.voltairenet.org/article169488.html



U.S. Civil War: The US-Russian Alliance that Saved the Union
by Webster G. Tarpley


Voltaire Network | Washington D. C. (États-Unis) | 25 April 2011

The big issue was always a British-French attack on the United States to preserve the Confederate States of America. This is certainly how Union and Confederate leaders viewed the matter, and how some important people in London, St. Petersburg, Paris, and Berlin did as well.

Otherwise, Nevins’ assertion that Britain “did not like other nations to fight” turns reality on its head; the greatest art of the Foreign Office was that of divide and conquer. Finally, Nevins pays no attention to the deterrent effect of Russia’s refusal to countenance any European intervention against the Union.

In contrast to Lincoln, Confederate President Jefferson Davis took almost no interest in diplomatic affairs. The Confederacy sent envoys to London and Paris, but never bothered to even send a representative to St. Petersburg, which turned out to be the most important capital of all.

London even considered ways to foment secession in Maine. Bombarding and burning both Boston and New York was actively considered as a contingency; it was concluded that the reduction of Boston would be very difficult because of the channels and forts; New York was seen as more vulnerable, especially to a surprise attack. An Admiralty hydrographer saw New York City as “the true heart of [US] commerce, — the centre of …maritime resources; to strike her would be to paralyse all the limbs.” (Bourne 240)

... the Russian Baltic fleet began to arrive in New York harbor. On October 12

The Russian admirals had also been told that, if the US and Russia were to find themselves at war with Britain and France, the Russian ships should place themselves under Lincoln’s command and operate in synergy with the US Navy against the common enemies.
 
This is just the beginning folks.

they will not stop until they have removed every symbol of our history.

Maybe they'll lose 1200 more seats.
 
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