calling on reasonable liberals to debate cop killings

[RIP U.S. Democracy]

Well, it isnt "total garbage" though, thats the thing.
Its FACT. A FACT which makes you very uncomfortable imo judging from what I see here.

If it's a fact, then provide the proof that black people are 5 times more violent to cops. Total bullshit.

Just because you want it to be true doesn't make it so.

 

[bluesmoke]

"calling on reasonable liberals to debate cop killings"

With the promise of a reasonable debate with reasonable posters, whether lib or not? The implication being that only reasonable libs need apply? Why not just debate cop killings, open to all comers?

What is your claim? That cops are killed 5x more often by black people? Or, 5x in disproportion? You expect people to debate on what you've not even taken a declaratory position nor made a definitive claim.

 

[phoenix2020]

Is that what you think cops do?

Go out and "pick fights" with people? With criminals?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Thats good shit right there.

Police and our justice system disproportionately punch black people more severely for the same crimes, the same behaviors. What may land you or me a slap on the wrist is more likely to land a black man in handcuffs. This is fact, not fiction, and has been the case for centuries.

Hopefully you can extrapolate how this leads us to this debate and my post. If you can’t, well, good luck in life I guess.

 

[Cardinal]

BZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!! WRONG ANSWER!!!!!

It was an EXTREMELY weak attempt at deflection, not a "great point". But you still get a participation trophy for effort!

It’s not a deflection because it directly refutes the OP claim of 5:1 murder rate of black to white people. Once you include the deaths caused by conservative white people in 2021, the murder/suicide ratio is completely weighted toward white people.

 

[Credence]

This is a ridiculous thread. Each case needs to be evaluated/analyzed on an individual basis.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

It’s not a deflection because it directly refutes the OP claim of 5:1 murder rate of black to white people. Once you include the deaths caused by conservative white people in 2021, the murder/suicide ratio is completely weighted toward white people.

You're just boring me now fella.

 

[bluesmoke]

that is a legitimate question. But it isn't relevant to whether cops are targeting blacks disproportionately. And given my reasoning, it certainly seems they are not, not even close.

if you disageee walk me through the reasoning, given the numbers.

Now, you're claiming cops are not "targeting blacks disproportionately...not even close." So, what's your proof? What are your numbers. You're making the claims, so the burden of proof is on YOU. Otherwise, your claim is unfounded and thus dismissed for lack of evidence.

 

[phoenix2020]

I don’t understand why these people don’t just come out and say “black people are inherently violent.” I mean, we all know they want to say it, and they try to imply it in every possible way they can imagine and yet they all lack the courage and conviction to just come clear and state it bluntly. Why is this? Are they secretly fearful? Are they actually PC snowflakes brainwashed into tip-toeing around sensitive language for fear of hurting someone’s feelings? Does this make them cowards? Perhaps it’s easier to post “someone explain to me why I shouldn’t believe this” than to simply state in no uncertain terms what they really believe.

I just don’t get it.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

If it's a fact, then provide the proof that black people are 5 times more violent to cops.

That was never a part of the post.

The question was: SINCE blacks are statistically 5 times more violent than Whites, do you think that is why Police have more violent encounters with black perps than they do White ones?

Now: MAN UP!!!!!

 

[RIP U.S. Democracy]

I don’t understand why these people don’t just come out and say “black people are inherently violent.” I mean, we all know they want to say it, and they try to imply it in every possible way they can imagine and yet they all lack the courage and conviction to just come clear and state it bluntly. Why is this? Are they secretly fearful? Are they actually PC snowflakes brainwashed into tip-toeing around sensitive language for fear of hurting someone’s feelings? Does this make them cowards? Perhaps it’s easier to post “someone explain to me why I shouldn’t believe this” than to simply state in no uncertain terms what they really believe.

I just don’t get it.

Yeah, I mean why quibble and dance around it? These people want to scream "I AM A BIGOT". Hell, just say it.

 

[RIP U.S. Democracy]

That was never a part of the post.

The question was: SINCE blacks are statistically 5 times more violent than Whites, do you think that is why Police have more violent encounters with black perps than they do White ones?

Now: MAN UP!!!!!

Really? That's what post #1 states? No wonder you struggle so much.

After all, dumb people are more inclined to be bigots.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

These people want to scream "I AM A BIGOT". Hell, just say it.

No actually its YOU who want to scream "YOU ARE A BIGOT!!" while ignoring the question posed in the OP.

This says way more about you than it does the so called "bigots" you are trying to vilify.

Did you think the increased violence in the black community, as opposed to the White community, could play some part in Police having more violent encounters with black people than they do White people?

Its a simple question.

 

[Cardinal]

You're just boring me now fella.

So you’re bored when the facts refute your deeply held beliefs.

 

[RIP U.S. Democracy]

No actually its YOU who want to scream "YOU ARE A BIGOT!!" while ignoring the question posed in the OP.

This says way more about you than it does the so called "bigots" you are trying to vilify.

Did you think the increased violence in the black community, as opposed to the White community, could play some part in Police having more violent encounters with black people than they do White people?

Its a simple question.

You blamed the black Army officer, even after those cops got fired. Yeah, we both know what you are.

 

[Cardinal]

That was never a part of the post.

The question was: SINCE blacks are statistically 5 times more violent than Whites, do you think that is why Police have more violent encounters with black perps than they do White ones?

Now: MAN UP!!!!!

When did you stop beating your wife? The 5:1 claim is unproven, obviously.

 

[Felis Leo]

On another thread on this topic, one question was never answered I would like to pose here.

Given that blacks have a 5 times as high murder rate as whites, I assume cops will face aproximately 5 times more dangerous encounters with blacks.

If you disagree with this assumption, walk me through your reasoning. Because the reasoning for my assumption seems so straight forward and obvious.

I was called a racist multiple times for what seems a very logical reasonable assumption.

I am confused. Police officers do not deal with entire demographic groups as some aggregated mass. They deal with individuals. Are you claiming that any given individual black person is five times more likely to resort to violence than a white person?

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

You blamed the black Army officer, even after those cops got fired. Yeah, we both know what you are.

I see that you have no valid and/or substantive contribution here.

This was your chance to shine and discredit the OP, but instead you offer nothing of substance, only name calling and weak cries of "racism".

Typical really.

dis - M I S S E D ! ! !

 

[RIP U.S. Democracy]

I am confused. Police officers do not deal with entire demographic groups as some aggregated mass. They deal with individuals. Are you claiming that an individual black person is five times more likely to resort to violence that a white person?

That guy would never make such a racist comment. It's totally beneath him. LOL.

 

[Fishking]

Was George Floyd 5 times more dangerous?

Given his history, likely more than 5x more dangerous. I mean...he had no issues going after pregnant women.

 

[RIP U.S. Democracy]

I see that you have no valid and/or substantive contribution here.

Actually, it's very substantive. It gets to the heart of the matter.

Why should I argue about what's factual and what's not with a bigot?

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

When did you stop beating your wife? The 5:1 claim is unproven, obviously.

Cardinal, sensing the argument is lost, now interjects more valid "points"....regarding wife beating?

*chuckle* ffs man, this is what you call "debate politics"? Very pitiful imo.

And they wonder why fewer and fewer people are paying any attention to the "woke" nonsense.

 

[Fishking]

On another thread on this topic, one question was never answered I would like to pose here.

Given that blacks have a 5 times as high murder rate as whites, I assume cops will face aproximately 5 times more dangerous encounters with blacks.

If you disagree with this assumption, walk me through your reasoning. Because the reasoning for my assumption seems so straight forward and obvious.

I was called a racist multiple times for what seems a very logical reasonable assumption.

What is your end-state goal here, for if your assumption is somehow proven correct? What then?

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

Actually, it's very substantive. It gets to the heart of the matter.

Why should I argue about what's factual and what's not with a bigot?

Are you still talking? But I already DISMISSED you. *waves*

 

[RIP U.S. Democracy]

Cardinal, sensing the argument is lost, now interjects more valid "points"....regarding wife beating?

*chuckle* ffs man, this is what you call "debate politics"? Very pitiful imo.

And they wonder why fewer and fewer people are paying any attention to the "woke" nonsense.

Pointing out your bigotry has nothing to do with being "woke".

 

[Rexedgar]

will the meeting be over by kick-off?