Call for Riots/Murder if Zimmerman found Not Guilty

[Black Dog]

Ok. Thank you for the civilized question. I am not suggesting that Zimmerman did anything illegal but I am suggesting he was reckless and a little irresponsible given the fact that he had a firearm. It appears to me that both individuals acted rashly and from a place of fear, misunderstanding and false assumptions. The problem is that Zimmerman had a gun and used it based on those assumptions. I do not believe, based on what has been presented, that Zimmerman intended to take this childs life, I do think he acted rashly and the moment got away from him. Bad choices for which he is responsible.

I agree with this for the most part. Although as a CCW carrier and x LEO, I can tell you from experience the weapon does not figure into most choices we as carriers make. It is only there as a last resort. I don't think it was an option for Z's choices either, even if some of them were in my opinion bone headed. He was not overconfident, but a little reckless in that he really wanted to keep and eye on M for the police.

This is just opinion. Really we are all speculating and none of us knows what took place that night. So, that having been said....it appears to me as if Zimmerman was pursuing Martin. He already made his mind made up about what this kids intentions were and what kind of person he was. He felt compelled, based on very little evidence, to follow Martin and call the police, to whom he described Trayvon as "suspicious". All of those things, to me, reflect Zimmerman's attitude towards Martin.

Agreed.

Those factors, I would guess, must have affected Zimmerman's approach towards Martin. Meaning if you feel threatened by someone you will approach them differently than if you do not. I can see how Martin could easily have felt threatened by Zimmerman, especially if he was not up to anything and what some call Martin attacking Zimmerman could have easily been Martin defending himself against someone HE thought was up to no good and following him for some unknown reason. Unfortunately we will never know his side of the story. I do not believe there is enough evidence to convict Zimmerman, but again... I see him as the aggressor here and his behavior as dangerously reckless.

Here I have to disagree. Being I was (I know it's hard to believe, lol) a 17 year old black kid. I hate to admit it, I would have done the same damn thing in Martin's shoes. I was aggressive and into martial art's so I really was scared of nothing but... the police, seriously.

So I think no matter what Z did it would of ended much the same way the moment Martin noticed he was being followed. He most likely had already made up his mind to pummel Z. I mean it's all anecdotal, but I have to go with my gut.

 

[ric27]

You tripped on the first hurdle. Z was pursuing M. He was pissed off which is evidence provided in the recording. His demeanor is a fact. This is a pissed off adult after a minor.

You need to study the real evidence here. Not what Zimmerman is saying as that is not evidence. You will learn.

Nope

Z was trying to keep M in sight/keeping an eye or regain him in sight. The call to the dispatcher clearly indicates this.

 

[rhinefire]

First Note: The state of Florida never wanted to prosecute this case. The governor got pressured to do it to appease the slime balls.
Second Note: Now the state KNEW it had no case so they come up with lesser charges like "child abuse" to cool the slime balls.
Third Note: If the slime balls want to burn their own areas dwon like they did in L.A. good, just don't ask for MO Money to rebuild.

NOT GUILTY!!!!!!!!

 

[cabse5]

I have a very difficult time understanding why so many people are running to Zimmermans defense. It boils down to this...Nothing that took place in this case, warrants that kind of reaction. He was afraid clearly, but why? Because he made racist assumptions about the threat.

Was TM aware of other breakins and burgularies in the same area as where he and his father lived? Was TM aware of a neighborhood watch in that area? If TM was alarmed with GZ's following presence, why didn't he ask GZ to identify himself? Why, early on, did TM assume GZ was a "racist cracker"? Why did TM assume GZ was out for the worst? Why did TM approach GZ and throw the first punch? Who's assuming here? Who's being racist here?

 

[justabubba]

the rioters need to start assembling

the not guilty verdict is coming soon

 

[ric27]

the rioters need to start assembling

the not guilty verdict is coming soon

That can't riot on an empty stomach

Priorities

1 Go to KFC

2 Riot

3 Back to KFC for dinner

 

[justabubba]

That can't riot on an empty stomach

Priorities

1 Go to KFC

2 Riot

3 Back to KFC for dinner

did not realize you live in koreatown to recall the order of events

 

[Caine]

I have a very difficult time understanding why so many people are running to Zimmermans defense. It boils down to this...his actions were fueled by the assumptions he made about what this boy was up to based on nothing more than his skin color. Maybe Mr. Zimmerman has had personal experiences that taint his perspective, so I won't argue the validity of that here. But the simple fact is HE was the aggressor here. He did not have to get out of his car and he did not have to shoot an unarmed child. This young boy would be alive Zimmerman had stayed in his car. May Zimmerman DID have reason to be suspicious but to take that suspicion and follow this 17yr old boy then use a gun to defend himself was clearly fueled by more than what was happening in the moment. Nothing that took place in this case, warrants that kind of reaction. He was afraid clearly, but why? Because he made racist assumptions about the threat.

You are right.

If GZ had not used his gun to defend himself Trayvon Martin would not be alive today....

But would George Zimmerman?

Trayvon Martin: "You're gonna die tonight!"

 

[Caine]

Any of the simians once again use this as an excuse to loot innocent people's businesses and they may very well find an 80 year old SK granny with an AK45, a full set of gold teeth and a thousand rounds waiting for them.
Word or warning. This is just the match that will ignite a red hot powder keg for having an 'open season' on every young Black man in the country. There are hundreds of thousands of heavily armed Whites with 'long-guns' out there 'bro'. The 'home-boys may have some stolen hand guns and a clip or two but when someone with a 30-06 can down you at a 100 yards those silly little hand guns don't stand for much. The stench of rotting young Black men's bodies will be smelled in London. Hopefully it won't happen. Just saying though.

What...... The..... ****......, Over.

 

[ric27]

did not realize you live in koreatown to recall the order of events

Beautiful place, wonderful food and a quick death

 

[Caine]

You can't really say that Zimmerman was just walking down the sidewalk. He was following Martin, he had a firearm, he called the police because he considered Martin "suspicious". You seem to be painting a way too innocent picture of Zimmerman's behavior here.

Well Holy Dog**** Captain!

Anyone who has a gun is instantly guilty of....... 'something'. It automatically makes you aggressive!

Calling the police on a suspicious person (Which happens over 100 thousand + times in America per day) makes one "aggressive"!

And walking! Well. We all know walking is aggressive!

 

[MaggieD]

Any of the simians once again use this as an excuse to loot innocent people's businesses and they may very well find an 80 year old SK granny with an AK45, a full set of gold teeth and a thousand rounds waiting for them.
Word or warning. This is just the match that will ignite a red hot powder keg for having an 'open season' on every young Black man in the country. There are hundreds of thousands of heavily armed Whites with 'long-guns' out there 'bro'. The 'home-boys may have some stolen hand guns and a clip or two but when someone with a 30-06 can down you at a 100 yards those silly little hand guns don't stand for much. The stench of rotting young Black men's bodies will be smelled in London. Hopefully it won't happen. Just saying though.

I'm reporting your racist rant. Just saying though.

 

[Caine]

The problem is that Zimmerman had a gun and used it based on those assumptions.

WRONG! He had a gun and used it based on getting his head pounded into the pavement while being told, "Your gonna die tonight."

This is just opinion. Really we are all speculating and none of us knows what took place that night. So, that having been said....it appears to me as if Zimmerman was pursuing Martin. He already made his mind made up about what this kids intentions were and what kind of person he was. He felt compelled, based on very little evidence, to follow Martin and call the police, to whom he described Trayvon as "suspicious".

You apparently have no earthly idea how common a "suspicious person" call is to police. As a former police officer of 7 years... I can assure you this call is more common than a traffic stop.

I see him as the aggressor here and his behavior as dangerously reckless.

Impossible.

No attack from Martin, no shooting.

That is the only reason why a killing took place, and so many people seem to intentionally ignore Martin's act which caused all this because... "he is just a kid".

Im so sick of that attitude, teenagers are still responsible for their actions and ****ing know better.

 

[opendebate]

Was TM aware of other breakins and burgularies in the same area as where he and his father lived? Was TM aware of a neighborhood watch in that area? If TM was alarmed with GZ's following presence, why didn't he ask GZ to identify himself? Why, early on, did TM assume GZ was a "racist cracker"? Why did TM assume GZ was out for the worst? Why did TM approach GZ and throw the first punch? Who's assuming here? Who's being racist here?

I am not saying that Martin handled the situation ideally, but what 17 yr old boy would. They both handled it poorly, although I am more forgiving errors in judgement of a young boy. As for Martin's assumptions I am certain there are lots of reasons, some founded and some mistaken. I am also certain that when aggravated or, more likely when frightened, most people say and often do things that are inappropriate or less than the ideal. However, Zimmerman was an adult and I would have expected better self control especially considering the fact that he chose to bring a firearm into the situation.

 

[opendebate]

You are right.

If GZ had not used his gun to defend himself Trayvon Martin would not be alive today....

But would George Zimmerman?

Trayvon Martin: "You're gonna die tonight!"

He was a thin 17yr old unarmed boy. Chances are Zimmerman would have survived it.

 

[opendebate]

Well Holy Dog**** Captain!

Anyone who has a gun is instantly guilty of....... 'something'. It automatically makes you aggressive!

Calling the police on a suspicious person (Which happens over 100 thousand + times in America per day) makes one "aggressive"!

And walking! Well. We all know walking is aggressive!

You're not thinking about this objectively. You are playing down Zimmermans behavior because you WANT him to be innocent. I never said that it makes anyone automatically anything but it does indicate to ME that he saw this kid as a serious threat. That seems like an enormous over reaction. And Z was not out for an evening stroll. He was FOLLOWING Martin.

 

[Caine]

He was a thin 17yr old unarmed boy. Chances are Zimmerman would have survived it.

And you think that we are supposed to fail to defend our lives as Americans because there are "chances" that we will actually survive an attack??????

 

[Caine]

You're not thinking about this objectively. You are playing down Zimmermans behavior because you WANT him to be innocent. I never said that it makes anyone automatically anything but it does indicate to ME that he saw this kid as a serious threat. That seems like an enormous over reaction. And Z was not out for an evening stroll. He was FOLLOWING Martin.

Are you honestly of the opinion that Zimmerman grabbed his gun for the purpose of following Martin?

If you are, you haven't been paying attention at all.

 

[justabubba]

He was a thin 17yr old unarmed boy. Chances are Zimmerman would have survived it.

yep
let me lie here getting my head repeatedly beaten and do nothing in the hope i survive it
even tho i have a handgun in my waistband
a very reasonable approach [/sarcasm]


fwiw, the ME testified that martin was proportional for his height; means he was NOT an ectomorph or an endomorph. thus, he was a mesomorph, indicating his body mass index was appropriate for his height (or in dr shiping bao terms, "length"). ME indicated if his weight was not proportional she would have annotated that for the record. thin may not be the appropriate description

 

[opendebate]

WRONG! He had a gun and used it based on getting his head pounded into the pavement while being told, "Your gonna die tonight."

You apparently have no earthly idea how common a "suspicious person" call is to police. As a former police officer of 7 years... I can assure you this call is more common than a traffic stop.

First of all....stop Yelling at me. Try to keep a civil tongue please and try to be objective here and not reactionary.

1. THE GUN: I am not saying that Martin was not aggressive and that Z didn't feel threatened. I am stating the simple fact that because a gun was present that child was shot and killed. Both could have walked away with a lot of scraps, bruises and a little bleeding. Z got up that next morning probably a little stiff and sore but at least he woke up. Martin did not.

2. THE CALL: I an certain these calls are common and I am certain many of them are not a real threat. I am also certain that there are a wide variety of motivations for people to make that call in the first place. I am merely stating what ... in this case....that choice says to me about Z.

3. THE IMPOSSIBLE: You're living in a pretty black and white world my friend. No one is saying that M behaved ideally. He clearly made errors in judgement and if he were here to do so I would expect him to take responsibility for those choices. I raised two teenagers, one of them a boy, and believe me he took responsibility for every stupid teenage boy choice me made. Aggressive behavior is not limited to a direct act of physical violence. Following someone late at night, tracking them is aggression. This is a matter of a difference of opinion.

 

[Caine]

1. THE GUN: I am not saying that Martin was not aggressive and that Z didn't feel threatened. I am stating the simple fact that because a gun was present that child was shot and killed. Both could have walked away with a lot of scraps, bruises and a little bleeding. Z got up that next morning probably a little stiff and sore but at least he woke up. Martin did not.

And that happens every time someone kills another in self defense. Its obvious you are arguing this with emotion by adding in that Martin didn't get up the next day. The emotional sympathy card played here does not sway me against Zimmerman in a criminal case against him. Do you know WHY the gun was present? I see you have ignored that when I asked you previously.

2. THE CALL: I an certain these calls are common and I am certain many of them are not a real threat. I am also certain that there are a wide variety of motivations for people to make that call in the first place. I am merely stating what ... in this case....that choice says to me about Z.

It says to me that he is looking out for the safety of his neighborhood. Why do you seem to think someone calling on a suspicious person is a bad thing?

3. THE IMPOSSIBLE: You're living in a pretty black and white world my friend. No one is saying that M behaved ideally. He clearly made errors in judgement and if he were here to do so I would expect him to take responsibility for those choices. I raised two teenagers, one of them a boy, and believe me he took responsibility for every stupid teenage boy choice me made. Aggressive behavior is not limited to a direct act of physical violence. Following someone late at night, tracking them is aggression. This is a matter of a difference of opinion.

And it is clear you have no clue what the actual evidence introduced in this case is....

You are still repeating the Media garbage from early-mid 2012.

 

[Erod]

He was a thin 17yr old unarmed boy. Chances are Zimmerman would have survived it.

It is not Zimmerman's responsibility to just "survive it".

 

[opendebate]

It is not Zimmerman's responsibility to just "survive it".

Im sorry but that doesn't really make sense to me. He KILLED a 17yr old child. It was not necessary and he should be held responsible for being so reckless with a firearm. This is my OPINION. You want to discuss the situation from a legal perspective, that's a very different conversation. I understand that the facts here probably won't indite Z under the law. Unless he is charged with manslaughter.

 

[Caine]

Im sorry but that doesn't really make sense to me. He KILLED a 17yr old child. It was not necessary and he should be held responsible for being so reckless with a firearm. This is my OPINION. You want to discuss the situation from a legal perspective, that's a very different conversation. I understand that the facts here probably won't indite Z under the law. Unless he is charged with manslaughter.

It was necessary as he was being told, "Your gonna die tonight" while being pummeled to death and having nobody come to his aid after repeated screams for help.

If Martin had not attacked Zimmerman, he would still be alive today.

If Martin had attacked Zimmerman with one punch and then ran home..... he would still be alive today.

But Martin did not do this... Martin punched him down, Mounted him, and continued to beat him repeatedly whilst telling him he was going to die tonight.

I give two ****s of his age... "CHILDREN" (as you seem to think he is ) just like Martin are killing people left and right in America today.

 

[opendebate]

Martin was looking for an address? What?

You cannot be called an aggressor simply for having your permitted gun concealed on your body. Martin couldn't have known Zimmerman had a weapon until he started fighting him.

I didn't say any of that. I'm simply saying that, in my OPINION, following someone like Z did Martin is an aggressive act. I understand that not everyone agrees with that assessment and that's fine. I am not trying to determine how the case will turn out or what he can be convicted of I am just sharing an opinion.