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There are unfortunately millions of Americans with substance abuse issues. The majority of them are not thieves.I can’t believe I have to say this.
If you’re a struggling drug addict, you don’t deserve live in prison and involuntary solitude.
Drug crimes are also lumped in, I already cited it in #41. I don’t care about the theft part. No need to try and convince me, I’m fine with it.There are unfortunately millions of Americans with substance abuse issues. The majority of them are not thieves.
California didn’t vote to make drug addiction a felony, they voted to make theft a felony again. The fact that over the last 4 to 5 years, half of Americans have to get a store clerk to unlock a cabinet to buy deodorant, is part of the reason Democrats had such a bad night up and down the ballot. Every time the Democrats try to appease the far left, it is disastrous electorally. Trump, a reprehensible person, just won with the most diverse coalition of any Republican since 1988. Law and order is popular. People don’t like getting their shit stolen and nothing done about it.
California didn’t vote to make drug addiction a felony, they voted to make theft a felony again.
Proposition 36 passing will not change anything unless radical Leftist prosecutors are replaced also.
Prop 47 (which was passed in 2014) downgraded most thefts from felonies to misdemeanors if the amount stolen was under $950. Prop 36 effectively reverses Prop 47 and smash-n-grab crimes can once again be prosecuted as felonies and are now eligible for Three Strikes protocols.
who in their right minds thought it was a good idea to begin with ?
who in their right minds thought it was a good idea to begin with ? geeeeeeeeeeeesh
Ah yes. The old bait and switch scheme the electorate always falls for. It happens in most states in the country. I wish someone would compile a report of every time the state legislators promise of saving us money turns out to be a disaster. If one of these hair-brained schemes is rejected then break out the crying towels with fears of doom and gloom or some other tear jerker tragedy.Most Californians, back in 2014. Prop 47 passed with 60% of the voters approving it.
It was promised that it would save the taxpayers millions of dollars by reducing the overcrowding in prisons. Both by no longer incarcerating low-level offenders, and decriminalizing small levels of drug possession. But as typical for the crazy Liberal ideas, it passed primarily because of the votes from the big cities. Most of the state voted against it.
It even retroactively affected people who were already convicted or serving time, seeing many convictions reduced from felonies to misdemeanors. And the tax savings were promised to be spent on "programs to keep people out of prisons". Of course, it had other effects as well, such as removing the felony crime of "Grand Theft Auto", if the thief could argue that the value of the vehicle stolen was under $950. And yes, that is still on the books because the legislature in that state confirmed it. Steal a junker worth only $800, it's only a misdemeanor.
That is standard for California. The state always promises to spend the money saved or earned from things like this on certain programs, that never materialize. The multiple tax hikes on cigarettes were to be spent on education to stop kids from smoking. The multiple gas taxes were to improve roads. This was to be spent on outreach programs, none of which ever happens. Any money saved or raised simply goes into the General Fund and is spent by the legislatures however they want. And even though this was passed as a way to reduce overcrowding in prisons, the prisons in the state are more overcrowded than ever.
Made worse by since that law passed in 2014, eighteen State Prisons have been closed as well as 22 Conservation Camps intended to support the California Department of Forestry. And two of those were closed this year, six others last year. At the exact same time the state was getting sued for prison overcrowding and releasing almost all non-violent offenders because they are claiming they do not have enough space in the prisons. They also ended the agreements they had with four out of state prisons for handing a number of overflow prisoners.
That is typical for the brain-dead of California. Somebody promises them that decriminalizing and eliminating incarceration will make things better, and many of them just believe it. Kinda like how Oakland had lowering crime rates for years, so decided to "defund the police". And afterwards were screaming when crime rates went out of control.
Liberalism
but of course it all comes at a price and look who made it about their bottom lineIt also comes with no new funding source for the mandatory treatment of drug offenders, who can still be sent to prison if they fail to complete drug treatment, according to Cal Matters.
Please know, I am not against having criminals be held accountable for their actions. That goes for all criminals, btw.Another criticism of Prop 36 were the sources of much of its funding. Big box stores like Walmart were among the major financial backers of Prop 36—some argued that the retailers were only concerned about their bottom lines and not true criminal sentencing reform.
Ah yes. The old bait and switch scheme the electorate always falls for.
but of course it all comes at a price and look who made it about their bottom line
Lots of NIMBY all around.But, when Prop 47 was passed it was promised this would be done with the savings from having to incarcerate less people.
Are they actually refusing to admit that those savings never happened? Or that if they did they did not do as they promised with the money they saved?
As for the stores, all levels of retail were having fits because of Prop 47. It hit the big box stores harder, but even small corner stores were having problems. And a lot of retail districts are now largely vacant because they simply could not stay in business because of the theft. And those who are left have largely locked up their merchandise in cabinets storewide.
Probably not, unless things have changed in the last 4 years, Target Corporation prohibits the use of force to stop thief. We had to stand there and watch them flee. Most are on video and are referred to the police if it was a major or repeat offender. Quite a few have records, are known to the cops and get caught.I witnessed this myself recently at a Target store in our area. They had a security guard present, but he was powerless to do anything.
Well, today's passage of Prop 36 changes that.
I witnessed this myself recently at a Target store in our area. They had a security guard present, but he was powerless to do anything.
Well, today's passage of Prop 36 changes that.
Target Corporation prohibits the use of force to stop thief.
I disagree and think it properly belongs in the proposition. Drug abuse is a major driver of petty theft. And the relapse rate for mandatory rehab is 96%. Clearly not working.Drug crimes are also lumped in, I already cited it in #41. I don’t care about the theft part. No need to try and convince me, I’m fine with it.
I’m aware of how it was branded, and how it would have been branded if California voted against it. When I read it on the ballot, it specifically mentioned including drug crimes. I wish they’d left that part out.
That and video makes the job a lot easier. Gives the DA some solid evidence and like you said, no blowback...Most major corporations are "hands off stop", because of multiple lawsuits. Is why I was glad most of my time in LP was with one of the few companies that was still "hands on".
Gives the DA some solid evidence and like you said, no blowback
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