California OKs $150 million stem-cell research loan

[KidRocks]

Good for California, good for the people of California and what's good for California is good for the rest of the nation, As California goes, so goes the nation.







California OKs $150 million stem-cell research loan - Yahoo! News

SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - California officials approved on Monday a $150 million loan offered by the state to fund its stem-cell research institute in San Francisco.

In addition to the loan, the California Institute for Regenerative Medicine has sold $31 million worth of bond anticipation notes to raise money for research into medical applications of stem-cell technology.

Many scientists believe stem cells, either adult cells or ones from embryos, may be used to find treatments and cures for serious diseases such as cancer and diabetes.

 

[DeeJayH]

why in the hell do you think this is IMPORTANT breaking news
virtually nobody has any problem with stem cell research
it is being researched in the public and the private sector

The only issue presently is the federal funding of EMBRYONIC stem cell research
get a freaking clue would you already

 

[KidRocks]

why in the hell do you think this is IMPORTANT breaking news
virtually nobody has any problem with stem cell research
it is being researched in the public and the private sector

The only issue presently is the federal funding of EMBRYONIC stem cell research
get a freaking clue would you already

Because there are some people who are violently opposed to stem-cell research research of any kind.

 

[faithful_servant]

Because there are some people who are violently opposed to stem-cell research research of any kind.

Please enlighten us. I'v never known anyone who was opposed to ASC research. And please support your use of the term "violently". I'd like to see one act of violence perpetrated to opposed the use of ASC research.

 

[shuamort]

Please enlighten us. I'v never known anyone who was opposed to ASC research. And please support your use of the term "violently". I'd like to see one act of violence perpetrated to opposed the use of ASC research.

I don't know about "violently", but House Bill 2355 in the backwards state of Kansas could have made stem cell research a felony. Even the US Gov't approved research.

The Kansas coalition was incorporated in August primarily to combat the passage of a bill in the Kansas Legislature that coalition members say would essentially ban all stem cell research, including research now legal under federal law and make it a felony in Kansas. The coalition also thinks that the bill could be interpreted as making it illegal for someone to seek stem cell treatments outside the state. House bill 2355 was introduced during last year's session by Rep. Mary Pilcher Cook, R-Shawnee.

The critical problem that I and many others see with HB 2355 is that, while it aims to outlaw human reproductive cloning, the specific language of the bill does so at the expense of criminalizing the exploration of an entire category of research that holds the potential to profoundly ease human suffering—research that will allow us to study the molecular basis of diseases as they develop from conception to death. The ultimate hope is to eventually discover treatments and cures for such chronic diseases as Parkinson's, juvenile diabetes, ALS, Alzheimer’s, heart disease, cancer, and spinal cord injuries which affect millions of Americans.

There's also the American Bioethics Advisory Commission who has advocated:

The American Bioethics Advisory Commission will press the 106th Congress to ban all stem cell research on human embryos, whether publicly or privately funded. American Life League President Judie Brown said such research "ignores the fact that a human embryo is a human being who, by his very existence, is a member of the human family."

But, admittedly, these are folks on the fringe here that we're talking about.

 

[faithful_servant]

I don't know about "violently", but House Bill 2355 in the backwards state of Kansas could have made stem cell research a felony. Even the US Gov't approved research.




There's also the American Bioethics Advisory Commission who has advocated:



But, admittedly, these are folks on the fringe here that we're talking about.

You didn't even come close with that one.
Kansas House Bill 2355 is about cloning, not ASC.

It shall be unlawful for any person to:
Perform or attempt to perform human cloning.
Participate in an attempt.
Cause to be shipped or knowingly receive the product of human cloning for any purpose.

Dr. Atkinson's testimony is chock full of lies and distortions:

My opposition to this bill has nothing to do with the bill's professed objective, the banning of human reproductive cloning. Rather, it is grounded in my belief that the specific language of this bill as currently written will have significant unintended consequences, notably the restriction of medical research in the State of Kansas that holds the potential to alleviate much human suffering.

The bills language is very clear on it's intentions. Have read it?

These stem cells can then replace damaged cells in the body, such as bone marrow for leukemia and chemotherapy patients, nerve cells for Parkinson’s and Alzheimer’s disease patients, heart muscle cells for diseased hearts and pancreatic islet cells for diabetic patients.

All thoeretical applications that have never come to pass and she attempts to pass them off as actual accomplishments.

However, adult stem cells and early stem cells are not replacements for one another. Because early stem cells are pluripotent – meaning they can become any cell in the body – they can be applied to a far greater variety of contexts than adult stem cells and can also be grown in a lab indefinitely. Consequently, we believe that pursuing both avenues provides the best hope for achieving dramatic progress in discovering new cures.

Again, all thoeretical. Every attempt at actually getting FSC (notice how she cleverly avoids that term by substituting "early stem cells") to do what she claims have resulted in disasterous results, with tumors and massive tissue rejection leading the way.

So, you've utterly and completely failed in your attempt to make your case of opposition to ASC research. You brought testimony from a Dr. who blatantly manipulationg facts and not telling the entire truth to support an accusation that is incorrect. The example you brought can only be construed as being in opposition to ASC research by the most extreme and dishonest stretching of the facts.

 

[shuamort]

You didn't even come close with that one.
Kansas House Bill 2355 is about cloning, not ASC.

Dr. Atkinson's testimony is chock full of lies and distortions:

The bills language is very clear on it's intentions. Have read it?


All thoeretical applications that have never come to pass and she attempts to pass them off as actual accomplishments.


Again, all thoeretical. Every attempt at actually getting FSC (notice how she cleverly avoids that term by substituting "early stem cells") to do what she claims have resulted in disasterous results, with tumors and massive tissue rejection leading the way.

So, you've utterly and completely failed in your attempt to make your case of opposition to ASC research. You brought testimony from a Dr. who blatantly manipulationg facts and not telling the entire truth to support an accusation that is incorrect. The example you brought can only be construed as being in opposition to ASC research by the most extreme and dishonest stretching of the facts.

Well, it's a good thing that I brought more than one example. You seemed to skip over the second one which definitively stated they were against SCR (stem cell research) on human embryos. Feel free to utterly and completely address that point.

 

[faithful_servant]

Well, it's a good thing that I brought more than one example. You seemed to skip over the second one which definitively stated they were against SCR (stem cell research) on human embryos. Feel free to utterly and completely address that point.

It's time for a clue, my friend....
BOTH of your links are predicated on the wrong assumption that the Kansas bill was designed to stop stem cell research. The ABAC is opposing extracting FSC from embryos (READ the article).

Take the time to actually research what it is you're posting before you post it. It keeps you from looking like you don't what you're talking about.

 

[shuamort]

It's time for a clue, my friend....
BOTH of your links are predicated on the wrong assumption that the Kansas bill was designed to stop stem cell research. The ABAC is opposing extracting FSC from embryos (READ the article).

Take the time to actually research what it is you're posting before you post it. It keeps you from looking like you don't what you're talking about.

As much as I enjoy your rude and condescending tone, I'm curious if you noticed the THIRD link in my original post as it seems that you keep skipping over that one.

 

[faithful_servant]

As much as I enjoy your rude and condescending tone, I'm curious if you noticed the THIRD link in my original post as it seems that you keep skipping over that one.

Excuse me, both of your first two links are predicated on a highly creative and utterly incorrect interpretation of the Kansas bill and I clearly addressed the last one. Maybe my use of the initials for the American Bioethics Advisory Commission confused you. The ABAC article is clearly addressing the use of FSC, not ASC. Try again, please.

 

[shuamort]

Excuse me, both of your first two links are predicated on a highly creative and utterly incorrect interpretation of the Kansas bill and I clearly addressed the last one. Maybe my use of the initials for the American Bioethics Advisory Commission confused you. The ABAC article is clearly addressing the use of FSC, not ASC. Try again, please.

WTH is the difference between FSC and ASC?

 

[faithful_servant]

WTH is the difference between FSC and ASC?

Using Fetal Stem Cells triggers massive tissue rejection and the growth of tumors. It has never accompished anything positive in any reproducible research.

Adult Stem Cells have done incredibly wonderful things. They have saved thousands of lives (ASC are part of what makes bone marrow transplants work). It's a highly successful line of research supported by everyone that I know of (I'm sure there are people out there that don't support it, but these are probably the same people who don't support any medical treatment).

 

[shuamort]

Thanks, I didn't know that.