California looks like it's about to start automatically registering people to vote

[Fenton]

Re: California looks like it's about to start automatically registering people to vot

makes it harder for republicans to get elected

7 papers, 4 government inquiries, 2 news investigations and 1 court ruling proving voter fraud is mostly a myth - The Washington Post

And that's ALL that matters...Lol

 

[TheDemSocialist]

Re: California looks like it's about to start automatically registering people to vot

sure as long as they have registration that shows they are legally able to vote no problem.
somehow they will screw this up and allow illegals to vote since they give them drivers license.

if you want to do this then proof of voting needs to be required to ensure that people that are supposed to vote do so
and those that aren't can't.

:roll:
Dont worry they have that type of registration when you get your DL:
"But while California began issuing driver's licenses to unauthorized immigrants this year, these licenses are distinctively marked, and people with them would not be registered to vote automatically."

"Prohibits the DMV from electronically providing the records of a person who is issued a
driver's license pursuant to specified provisions of law because that person is unable to
establish satisfactory proof that his or her presence in the United States is authorized
under federal law." Bill Text - AB-1461 Voter registration: California New Motor Voter Program.

 

[faithful_servant]

Re: California looks like it's about to start automatically registering people to vot

This liberal says the USA is a democratic republic. We elect our representatives, and in many localities, vote directly on ballot measures, that is the democratic part.

You just HAVE to insert that "Democrat" part, don't you?? A Republic, by definition, has an element of Democracy in it and there is no need to add in the redundancy of adding "Democratic" except to make it sound like there is a connection between our form of gov't and the Dem. party.

 

[Glowpun]

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How it should be in every state. Good for California :applaud Gonna be interesting to see if this will increase turnout..

This will include undocumented aliens who somehow manage to get a real drivers license. Has anyone thought about that? Looks like not.

 

[Hard Truth]

Re: California looks like it's about to start automatically registering people to vot

You just HAVE to insert that "Democrat" part, don't you?? A Republic, by definition, has an element of Democracy in it and there is no need to add in the redundancy of adding "Democratic" except to make it sound like there is a connection between our form of gov't and the Dem. party.

I added "Democratic" because our nation is more democratic now than when it began as a result of a greater portion of the population being allowed to vote and the direct election of senators. We also have ballot measures in many states and localities, which are an example of direct democracy. We are also a de facto plutocracy.

The names of the parties means little and is not related to how we label our system of government.

 

[Hard Truth]

Re: California looks like it's about to start automatically registering people to vot

This will include undocumented aliens who somehow manage to get a real drivers license. Has anyone thought about that? Looks like not.

See post #77.

 

[natsb]

Re: California looks like it's about to start automatically registering people to vot

I go for both discussion and insult at the same time. It serves two functions: it educates the ignorant and it shames the offending speaker for holding such ignorance.

Fail on both accounts. Perhaps you can try actually addressing the content of the post?


First we can address your straw men. I never suggesting suppressing anyone's vote. As someone who proclaims to have ignorance spotting skills, you may want to address that shortcoming.

How about a direct answer to the actual topic? Why is it important to force people that don't want to vote to go to the polls? How is letting them enjoy their freedom of choice suppressing them?

 

[natsb]

Re: California looks like it's about to start automatically registering people to vot

This will include undocumented aliens who somehow manage to get a real drivers license. Has anyone thought about that? Looks like not.

Nope, if they manage to get a real license, they are welcome to vote in California. Even if they have a DP license and they vote, this law predetermines that they are not committing voter fraud. So they get a get out of jail card before they head to the polls.

 

[TheDemSocialist]

Re: California looks like it's about to start automatically registering people to vot

This will include undocumented aliens who somehow manage to get a real drivers license. Has anyone thought about that? Looks like not.

How do you figure? Especially because the law specifically speaks to that point...

 

[faithful_servant]

Re: California looks like it's about to start automatically registering people to vot

I added "Democratic" because our nation is more democratic now than when it began as a result of a greater portion of the population being allowed to vote and the direct election of senators. We also have ballot measures in many states and localities, which are an example of direct democracy. We are also a de facto plutocracy.

The names of the parties means little and is not related to how we label our system of government.

..and yet, in spite of the fact that we are a constitutional republic, you will never see a liberal use that term. They always have to throw in the word "Democracy" in there.

 

[Hard Truth]

Re: California looks like it's about to start automatically registering people to vot

Nope, if they manage to get a real license, they are welcome to vote in California. Even if they have a DP license and they vote, this law predetermines that they are not committing voter fraud. So they get a get out of jail card before they head to the polls.

Not true. See post#77 or read the legislation.

 

[Hard Truth]

Re: California looks like it's about to start automatically registering people to vot

..and yet, in spite of the fact that we are a constitutional republic, you will never see a liberal use that term. They always have to throw in the word "Democracy" in there.

I agree that between the two words, 'republic" is the most accurate one for describing the government in the USA, but I don't think it is inaccurate to call it a Democratic Republic.

 

[faithful_servant]

Re: California looks like it's about to start automatically registering people to vot

I agree that between the two words, 'republic" is the most accurate one for describing the government in the USA, but I don't think it is inaccurate to call it a Democratic Republic.

It's redundant, unnecessary and is little more than a game of semantics to get the word "Democrat" in there. It's like saying that we had a wet rain today.

 

[Jaygodmedia]

Re: California looks like it's about to start automatically registering people to vot

Just like jury duty. You should be required to vote. Just imagine if that right was taken from you.

 

[natsb]

Re: California looks like it's about to start automatically registering people to vot

Not true. See post#77 or read the legislation.

Exactly what part is untrue? Did you read the legislation?

I said: "Nope, if they manage to get a real license, they are welcome to vote in California."
Are you saying that a person with a real license cannot register to vote?

I said: "Even if they have a DP license and they vote, this law predetermines that they are not committing voter fraud. "

2268. If a person who is ineligible to vote becomes registered to vote pursuant to this chapter in the absence of a violation by that person of Section 18100, that person’s registration shall be presumed to have been effected with official authorization and not the fault of that person.

2269. If a person who is ineligible to vote becomes registered to vote pursuant to this chapter and votes or attempts to vote in an election held after the effective date of the person’s registration, that person shall be presumed to have acted with official authorization and shall not be guilty of fraudulently voting or attempting to vote pursuant to Section 18560, unless that person willfully votes or attempts to vote knowing that he or she is not entitled to vote.

So isn't the text affirming that even if they manage to vote, it is not their fault and they are not guilty of fraud?

Let us look at how hard it would be to commit the fraud...

(c) Notwithstanding any other law to the contrary, the affidavit of registration required under this chapter shall not be taken under sworn oath, but the content of the affidavit shall be certified as to its truthfulness and correctness, under penalty of perjury, by the signature of the affiant.

As you see, after the application is completed, the applicant is under no danger of perjury, as no oath is required. Not even a pinky swear is needed; just a signature.

Heck, is proof of citizenship even required? Nope, just a checked box.

(K) A notation that the applicant has attested that he or she meets all voter eligibility requirements, including United States citizenship, specified in Section 2101.

Does the Department of Motor Vehicles verify the applicant is turning in a valid application? Nope.

(b) This chapter shall not be construed as requiring the Department of Motor Vehicles to determine eligibility for voter registration and voting. The Secretary of State is solely responsible for determining eligibility for voter registration and voting.

So can the Secretary of State get the information needed to determine eligibility? Nope.

(d) The department shall not electronically provide records of a person who applies for or is issued a driver’s license pursuant to Section 12801.9 of the Vehicle Code because he or she is unable to submit satisfactory proof that his or her presence in the United States is authorized under federal law.

So again I ask; Exactly what part of my post is untrue? And, did you read the legislation?