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California lawmakers want to ban cops from wearing face coverings.

That may be a little much. Not having any face coverings is good enough for me. I do think having a cordoned-off area for the protest is a good idea for crowd control purposes. The problem is that many people are of the opinion that a protest cannot be effective or cannot effect change for their cause without there being some violence or without people being inconvenienced. Thus is why they justify blocking freeways and destroying government property. Their thinking is "Nobody ever changed any bad policy by holding up a sign on a sidewalk and chanting through a megaphone". They think that being violent is the answer, instead of grass-roots efforts.
Personally, I believe the best way to bring about any change is for the governed to begin engaging in civil discussion about each issue looking to find common ground and then hold their representatives in Congress responsible for bringing about change. Something I once believed was how political forums were intended to work.
 
MAGA wants the police to be anonymous, but the people must have official ID.

Ominous times.
 
I don't know about that. The bill targets Federal agencies.
The bill can target whatever it pleases. State laws do not control federal officers acting under federal jurisdiction. If they did, states like California would probably have outlawed immigration enforcement entirely, not just enacted sanctuary policies.
 
Perhaps. So if it can be proven that someone doxxed someone with the intent to make any of those listed actions happen, should that person be guilty of a crime, (conspiracy?) or possibly be successfully sued?
That's already a crime.
 
California can pass the bill if it likes. It won't apply to federal officers operating under federal law.
Then California should just pass a law saying anyone can wear masks at any time.
 
Firstly, I commend all Community Citizens participating in this discussion because it is seriously civil. I'm sort of amazed by that. And hopeful. I actually got through all six pages without needing to flush out my brain.

Sorry, that was supposed to be a complement, but I screwed up. Still, very interesting points made in this discussion. Amazing how this Internet thing is making information so quickly available, isn't it?

Two things came to me, though.

One is the consequence that could result from family or even close friends being put in harm's way because identification of an LEO was way too easy and then more than a few LEO's lost loved ones or close friends due to those into professional anarchy and then nobody wanted the job of LEO and suddenly there are too few LEOs out-and-about and bad stuff happens. Sure, this could be decades in the making, but that could be the result of a chain of events nobody saw coming. Or didn't care, if they did. Just a thought. And maybe real robocops could be used when that human type trouble becomes reality.

The second thought that came to me was who is going to enforce the California law, if it passes though all the processes required and is signed into law? Are we going to see local/state LEOs trying to arrest federal LEOs? Can anyone imagine just what the consequences could be if there is an actual firefight between local LEOs and federal types?

And, a side question, do so many of you really think that a nation that doesn't enforce its immigration laws can continue in existence for maybe a decade or two once anyone is allowed into that nation, no matter criminal, professional spy type, and so on? I mean, just throw open the border and all is fine and dandy and strangle the LEO force so nobody wants that job; and that nation is going to survive as a single and solid entity? I have a gut feeling that sort of situation is bad for the kids and their kids and maybe one more generation, although that "one more generation" is a bit of a stretch.

Personally, I know for a fact this democracy governing style is very difficult, as I have seen firsthand a nation work its way into being an *almost* democracy. I've seen total chaos in another. I see what we have here in Japan. And, of course, I did my part (still am) for my own nation, the USA - - - but I think with this new tech stuff we have that can be a danger to some folks trying to also do their jobs to protect all you folks - - - well, maybe some very new ideas are needed from some new and very clever folks. Quite frankly, I don't think you folks there in California have those "new and very clever folks" at the top of the chain of command in some of your governing institutions. Not at present. Maybe waiting in the wings?

BUT, if you really support anyone being allowed into your communities without any checking of who they are; well, you are in the right state, yes? If I were about 40 years younger I'd be opening a new security/protection company in that state. That's going to soon be big business, if it isn't already. But only for a short time, as the big money will leave the state. Then all you middle-class folks will be footing the state's bills.

Good gosh, sorry this post got so long. Jiji yak-yak-yak stuff. But it's kind of nice to be here at my own work station for at least another day or two before I have to go back to the other job at that work station, which is no comfort at all.
 
It is not free speech to make public someone's personal information with the intent to harm or harrass.
Congratulations on failing Constitutional Law 101. :rolleyes:

Publishing information is not illegal. And there are plenty of legitimate reasons to release the information, including protesting the individual. E.g. it was 100% legal for protesters to show up at Justice Roberts' private residence to voice their opinions.

It only becomes illegal if someone actually engages in harassment.... and we already have laws regulating that behavior.

I.e. the government cannot say "we will bar these types of speech, because someone might say something harmful!" While freedom of speech does have its limits, what you're proposing would blow a gigantic hole in protections for free speech.

You also completely ignored the other part of my post, namely: How should we handle law enforcement officers who violate regulations and/or the law, and can't be identified because they are hiding their identity?
 
This is OK with me BUT......
1. Make doxxing a police officer a felony with a minimum 5 year sentence.
1. Protestors also cannot wear masks or face-coverings of any type.

California lawmakers introduce legislation to ban law enforcement from wearing face coverings - ABC News https://share.google/PYy2qeCKMh7WPg9Cu

Lol always bootlicking.
 
Is it illegal to walk in the middle of the street waving a flag outside ofa protest? Is it OK to assemble in the middle of the street if you are just "assembling" and not protestiing anything?. Take a bunch of your friends with you for a flash mob in the middle of a busy street downtown. See how that works out for you.
Civil disobedience is not constitutionally protected and all of those actions are subject to arrest. Outside of that, your reply is nonsensical.
How many cops do you personally know? They don't do this at all.
Maybe watch some news footage?
 
Cops are only wearing mask to escape legal responsibility for their actions.

How many cops do you personally know? They don't do this at all.

Maybe watch some news footage?
Nice of you to chime in and show your ignorance on the subject as well. Cops don't wear masks to escape legal responsibility. When they wear masks, it's to protect their family from the far left ****sticks who will doxx them for doing their job and enforcing the law. I see you don't personally know any cops as well.
 
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