California becomes 8th U.S. state to make universal mail-in ballots permanent

[KingLeo]

What if 50 people sign up for the same address? Or if someone registers a homeless/elderly/fake person to an email address they control? Or if someone doesn't care, and ignores the email?

Ballots are only sent to registered voters, not to email addresses.
Mail in voting does not mean internet voting.
Ballots are still verified when received by your signature, name, and address on file from when you registered.

 

[dcsports]

If you really knew how mail-in voting worked, you wouldn't be asking about purchasing ballots from homeless people.

Again, more gaslighting isn't helping you to make your case. How is this prevented?

 

[reflechissez]

What if 50 people sign up for the same address? Or if someone registers a homeless/elderly/fake person to an email address they control? Or if someone doesn't care, and ignores the email?

Is the homeless person a registered voter? Don't they need a home address? That sounds like a lot of work to try to sway an election. Why would 50 people sign up for the same address? Do you mean home address or email address? You don't seem to know how voter registration works either.

 

[reflechissez]

Again, more gaslighting isn't helping you to make your case. How is this prevented?

How did the homeless person get the ballot? How will you find enough homeless people with ballots to change the election results?

 

[AGENT J]

What if 50 people sign up for the same address?

what happens if that happens now without mailing voting?

Or if someone registers a homeless/elderly/fake person to an email address they control?

an email isnt registered, an address/person is and they can provide an email so what happens if that happens now if a homeless person is registered to an address no t theirs?

Or if someone doesn't care, and ignores the email?

what happens now if somebody doesn care and ignores in-person voting so somebody else votes in their place?

Like i said theres nothing out there that logically adds up to a legit concern to the level of not allowing, not doing mail in

 

[AGENT J]

lol. you aren't helping to make your case.

I know how it works in my state - and the setup appears to be similar in most. Tell me what's magical about one of these 100% mail in states that makes their system immune to these issues.

who claimed any state is immune
whats being pointed out is that you dont know how the system works and you haven't pointed out anything that adds up to a legit concern that suggests there shouldn't be mail-in

 

[SkyFox76]

You're probably right. It is directed more to the liberal voter that was always too lazy to make the effort but now that it will be a piece of cake, the left gets a bunch of new votes. Corrupt politicians are always conniving.

My liberal friends vote much the same as the conservative ones. Some walk in, some mail in and some get mail ballots but personally drop them off. Both side have fair options to vote. That's how it should be.

 

[Hypothetical]

Well you can have your shopping delivered and do you banking online. But you need to be physically present, at this point, for a doctor to evaluate you. So you may need to do that. You can do much of what is necessary with the DMV online as well.

how do you control fraud, AND even if fraud is not widespread NOW, how will you ever know if it becomes so, with those systems in place?

if i go stealing thousands of ballots from people's mailboxes and vote for them all, then what?

 

[dcsports]

Ballots are only sent to registered voters, not to email addresses.
Mail in voting does not mean internet voting.
Ballots are still verified when received by your signature, name, and address on file from when you registered.

I know it's not internet voting. I was responding to a person who talked about how a proactive voter can track the process by email. Even under the best of circumstances, half of eligible voters can't be bothered to show up. Many don't even register. It's unlikely that they will be taking the time to track their ballot.

It's not hard to get the name and address - right on the envelope. Signature matching is iffy at best.

 

[Ikari]

how do you control fraud, AND even if fraud is not widespread NOW, how will you ever know if it becomes so, with those systems in place?

if i go stealing thousands of ballots from people's mailboxes and vote for them all, then what?

You'll likely end up in jail for voter fraud.

 

[AGENT J]

how do you control fraud, AND even if fraud is not widespread NOW, how will you ever know if it becomes so, with those systems in place?

if i go stealing thousands of ballots from people's mailboxes and vote for them all, then what?

LOL i hope this is sarcasm

thousands of counts of a federal crime and magically none of those people will notice?
they will all ignore the email and or letters telling them their ballot was sent, should have been received, then if you are voting for them, the notification that their ballot was received and vote counted?

 

[Hypothetical]

You'll likely end up in jail for voter fraud.

what check or balance is going to out me as the fraudster and send me to jail is my question.. we need more detail than that.

 

[Hypothetical]

LOL i hope this is sarcasm

i don't live in a state where you mail in the ballot this way, so yes I am curious. Perhaps you just propose to know everything, even that which you have not experienced?

if so, then you should be able to easily answer my question.

 

[SkyFox76]

This is the not the high quality froth I have come to expect from the right.

1/10, for lack of effort.

I kind of like gino's, but it needs to be more like survivor/hunger games. Make it a ppv deal where the money just gets pooled together and at the end there's a lottery that only the party of the winner can join into.

 

[Ikari]

what check or balance is going to out me as the fraudster and send me to jail is my question.. we need more detail than that.

Well when they come across 1000's of rejected ballots, it's probably going to spur an investigation. That is if you don't get caught stealing mail from 1000's of mailboxes in the first place. Maybe you won't get caught, but I can't recommend the attempt.

 

[madman]

You're probably right. It is directed more to the liberal voter that was always too lazy to make the effort but now that it will be a piece of cake, the left gets a bunch of new votes. Corrupt politicians are always conniving.

if conservatives quite being so god damn biased/racist against immigrants then maybe they'll pick up a few new voters.

 

[Hypothetical]

Well when they come across 1000's of rejected ballots, it's probably going to spur an investigation. Maybe you won't get caught, but I can't recommend the attempt.

and the ballots would be rejected, why?

 

[mrjurrs]

Yep I almost wish there was like ANOTHER checks and balances branch of government to help with issues like that but then how long before the branch is corrupt and plays the game too?
a presidential cycle at best? lol

just seems like a flaw that a lot of things congress gets to decide on is only for them and the people will get screwed . . like their salaries, their health care, district lines etc

Congress can raise salaries but the raise doesn't go into effect until after the next federal election (27th Amendment). Don't like it? Vote your rep out.

Congress also has zero to do with reapportionment, that belongs to the states.

 

[dcsports]

Is the homeless person a registered voter? Don't they need a home address? That sounds like a lot of work to try to sway an election. Why would 50 people sign up for the same address? Do you mean home address or email address? You don't seem to know how voter registration works either.

More gaslighting! You don't have an answer, I take it?

Someone can register the homeless person. Or a dead person. Or a fake person. My county regularly removes thousands of duplicate or false registrations... that they catch. They've found cases with many registrations to an empty lot, or a shelter. Not to mention people with variants of the same name.

 

[Ikari]

and the ballots would be rejected, why?

You're accurately going to forge 1000's of signatures of people you don't know?

 

[SkyFox76]

What if 50 people sign up for the same address? Or if someone registers a homeless/elderly/fake person to an email address they control? Or if someone doesn't care, and ignores the email?

The email/text have zero to do with how a ballot is filled out. It's simply an alert to let you know you're ballot is arriving or has been received and counted.

 

[Hypothetical]

You're accurately going to forge 1000's of signatures of people you don't know?

with a few people working as a team, sure... but are you saying they check signatures AFTER the ballot is sent to the voters address for mail in voting?

remember i am stealing the ballot after it is sent to the voter to vote.

ahh I just read about it, some states require signatures on the envelope.... hm I wonder who does not? those states are vulnerable.

 

[Ikari]

with a few people working as a team, sure... but are you saying they check signatures AFTER the ballot is sent to the voters address for mail in voting?

Do you think that they check signatures before a signed ballot is received? How does that ****ing work? You got some time-magic over there?

 

[Nickyjo]

Just too damn lazy to show up, in person, with identification to vote. A system that has been secure and successful forever. Working within that scenario I hate food shopping, standing in line at the bank, or waiting in the doctor's office. A trip to the emergency room can be a nightmare and how much fun is it to deal with DMV?
All of these things are inconvenient and just like your mail-in voting scheme should be corrected by a similar stay-at-home system. God forbid any lives are the least bit difficult. I want to stay home in my Barkalounger waiting for everyone to cater to me. LOL

I know. We in California have joined those lazy left-wingers in Utah.

 

[Nickyjo]

I've got a dumb question or two. If you get a mail in ballot and your spouse or partner uses force to cause you to fill it out in a way you would not otherwise choose is that a lawful vote? If your partner fills out your ballot for you and you don't know what's on the ballot is that a legitimate vote? If someone comes by your house and coerces you into signing the affidavit then takes your ballot and fills it out themselves is that a legitimate vote? If you are mentally incompetent due to dementia and your caregiver has you sign the affidavit and then fills out the ballot for you is that a legitimate vote? Without regard to whether or not any of these scenarios actually occur, is there a mechanism by which a mail in ballot would prevent a coerced or uninformed vote to be cast, assuming one believes that a coerced or uninformed vote should be illegal?

True, Trump was elected in 2016 by many uninformed voters.