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CA gets smacked down again for an unconstitutional law (ammo background check)

poppopfox said:
  • "Gun Show Loophole":
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    While federal law requires background checks for sales by licensed dealers, there is a "gun show loophole" where private sales at gun shows may not always involve background checks, especially if the seller isn't a licensed dealer.
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There is no such thing as a “gun show” loophole. Both Federal and state laws requiring background checks apply irrespective of the location.

For example, CA requires background checks on private sales between two individual who are both CA residents. That law applies at gun shows, in parking lots, even in your kitchen.
 
JMB1911A1 said:
There is no such thing as a “gun show” loophole. Both Federal and state laws requiring background checks apply irrespective of the location.
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So you say. Ipse dixit fallacy.
JMB1911A1 said:
For example, CA requires background checks on private sales between two individual who are both CA residents. That law applies at gun shows, in parking lots, even in your kitchen.
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And that law is enforced how?

Please explain how I can purchase long guns at the local flea market without a background check?
 
poppopfox said:
So you say. Ipse dixit fallacy.
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I quoted law. You obviously didn’t even read you own “reference link”.

Twenty-two U.S. states, the District of Columbia, and all U.S. territories have laws that require background checks for some or all private sales, including sales at gun shows.

"There is no such loophole in federal law, in the limited sense that the law does not exempt private-party sales at gun shows from regulation that is required elsewhere."
poppopfox said:
And that law is enforced how?
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Welcome to the real world.
poppopfox said:
Please explain how I can purchase long guns at the local flea market without a background check?
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What state do you live in where you buy long guns at the local flea market?

Assuming you live in CA, you would be breaking the law. Of course, you have previously admitted to illegally buying guns since you are a prohibited person.
 
JMB1911A1 said:
I quoted law. You obviously didn’t even read you own “reference link”.

Twenty-two U.S. states, the District of Columbia, and all U.S. territories have laws that require background checks for some or all private sales, including sales at gun shows.
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There are 50 states, don't you know?
JMB1911A1 said:
"There is no such loophole in federal law, in the limited sense that the law does not exempt private-party sales at gun shows from regulation that is required elsewhere."

Welcome to the real world.

What state do you live in where you buy long guns at the local flea market?
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PA
JMB1911A1 said:
Assuming you live in CA, you would be breaking the law. Of course, you have previously admitted to illegally buying guns since you are a prohibited person.
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That's a lie. Seems that's the only way you know how to 'debate.'
 
poppopfox said:
There are 50 states, don't you know?
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And the Federal government cannot regulate INTRASTATE sales between private parties, don’t you know?
poppopfox said:
PA
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And PA requires background checks on all handgun sales and some long gun sales. So, are you exploiting a “loophole” in order to buy your Chinese war rifle at a flea market?
poppopfox said:
That's a lie. Seems that's the only way you know how to 'debate.'
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Didn’t you previously admit to being a user of prohibited substances? If not, I apologize.
 
Nickyjo said:
Drivers Ed sure scared me with pics of accidents and helped me to learn about handling a clutch, also made me and made me more cautious when I drove.
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I took driver's ed in 1999 that didn't show us the gruesome stuff I don't think they do that anymore.

But that was an attitude thing you looked at those pictures and new that could be you. The people in those pictures are the people that thought it couldn't be them.

There's no amount of education there's no amount of teaching that will ever make people think that way they either have to get in a wreck and decide yes that can very easily be them or they start with the attitude you have.
Nickyjo said:
So they gave me a written test at the DMV and took me for a ride test for nothing?
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No but after you passed that test do you think you were an expert driver?
 
LostInSeattle said:
No. It's because equating guns and vehicles is a stupid argument.
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I'm so glad you chose to post substance free.

Who knows what kind of damage you might have done to my argument if you had addressed it in context and brought your towering intellect to bear.
 
CLAX1911 said:
I took driver's ed in 1999 that didn't show us the gruesome stuff I don't think they do that anymore.

But that was an attitude thing you looked at those pictures and new that could be you. The people in those pictures are the people that thought it couldn't be them.

There's no amount of education there's no amount of teaching that will ever make people think that way they either have to get in a wreck and decide yes that can very easily be them or they start with the attitude you have.

No but after you passed that test do you think you were an expert driver?
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No, but a better one, learning not to ride the clutch per the tester’s comments.
 
JMB1911A1 said:
3 judge panel of the 9th Circuit upheld a lower court decision that held California's background check requirement on sales of ammunition (and prohibiting residents from ordering ammunition online or bringing ammunition purchased out-of-state back into California) was unconstitutional.

In a 2-1 decision, the three judge panel concluded that the law is facially unconstitutional, meaning there's no circumstance where it can be lawfully applied.

bearingarms.com

Ninth Circuit Declares California's Background Checks on Ammo Purchases Unconstitutional

Ninth Circuit rules California's ammo background checks unconstitutional, protecting Second Amendment rights.
bearingarms.com bearingarms.com

Another loss for Rob Bonta and Gavin Newsom and a win for those behind enemy lines in CA. 🥳 🥳 🥳
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The loss is really for the thousands killed or injured by firearms. Firearm causalities are preventable and regrettable.
 
Spock said:
The loss is really for the thousands killed or injured by firearms. Firearm causalities are preventable and regrettable.
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1.7 million defensive gun uses per a year. Gun control is a pro-criminal position.
 
Spock said:
The loss is really for the thousands killed or injured by firearms. Firearm causalities are preventable and regrettable.
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It seems very important to maintain the baby talk...
 
JMB1911A1 said:
1.7 million defensive gun uses per a year. Gun control is a pro-criminal position.
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Nonsense and unsubstantiated statements do not justify the 100,000 firearm related deaths at a cost of $500 billion yearly
 
JMB1911A1 said:
There are not 100,000 “firearms related deaths”. Why do you keep lying?
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Should have been "deaths and injuries". Happy?
However, it is very likely that we will see 100,000 deaths from firearms eventually.
 
Spock said:
Should have been "deaths and injuries". Happy?
However, it is very likely that we will see 100,000 deaths from firearms eventually.
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Hyperbole never helps your argument. The number of firearms in this country has doubled over the last 20 years and the death rates have dropped.
 
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