By Liberal Logic, They're Expendable

[roughdraft274]

Everyone that supports allowing late-term abortions believes these were not human beings at the time of their birth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5q1YVFHIA8E

And liberalism is "compassionate"? Sure...

Patently untrue.

I support late term abortions in certain conditions and I think that they are humans at that point in time.

So quit making **** up that you can't back up champ.

 

[tres borrachos]

Everyone that supports allowing late-term abortions believes these were not human beings at the time of their birth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5q1YVFHIA8E

And liberalism is "compassionate"? Sure...

Wow, you didn't get to stay long, did you?

 

[JayDubya]

Wow, you didn't get to stay long, did you?

By deduction it had to have been due to multiple accounts.

 

[Shadowless]

If you don't agree with abortion, don't have one. You cannot tell others what they can/can't do with something as medically complicated and personal as this issue.

 

[JayDubya]

If you don't agree with abortion, don't have one. You cannot tell others what they can/can't do with something as medically complicated and personal as this issue.

If you don't agree with theft, don't take other people's stuff.

If you don't agree with assault, don't punch anyone.

If you don't agree with rape, don't **** anyone without their consent.

Are those above statements adequate standards or do you want laws? I'm guessing you want laws.

 

[Shadowless]

If you don't agree with theft, don't take other people's stuff.

If you don't agree with assault, don't punch anyone.

If you don't agree with rape, don't **** anyone without their consent.

Are those above statements adequate standards or do you want laws? I'm guessing you want laws.

Are any of those very complex and personal medical decisions? No. It's not that simple.

 

[JayDubya]

Are any of those very complex and personal medical decisions? No. It's not that simple.

Why does that matter?

Abortion sure as **** isn't.

It's just a simple contract killing.

 

[Shadowless]

Why does that matter?

Abortion sure as **** isn't.

It's just a simple contract killing.

As someone who has gone through an abortion, I can't even tell you how offensive and simple minded your comments are. It's no such thing, and is a VERY complex medical decision that should be between a woman and her doctor. Don't bring politics into something like that. Research the stories of people who have been through it, you might see this differently.

 

[GunFora]

Wow, you didn't get to stay long, did you?

LOL why was he banned?

 

[JayDubya]

As someone who has gone through an abortion, I can't even tell you how offensive and simple minded your comments are.

Depending on what you mean by that, I will probably offend you much worse than that.

I mean what I said. Elective abortion is a simple contract killing, nothing more and nothing less.

Do you know what happens to those who are party to the contract killing of the born?

If so, then you know exactly what I think should be done to those who are party to the contract killing of the unborn.

 

[Shadowless]

Depending on what you mean by that, I will probably offend you much worse than that.

I mean what I said. Elective abortion is a simple contract killing, nothing more and nothing less.

Do you know what happens to those who are party to the contract killing of the born?

If so, then you know exactly what I think should be done to those who are party to the contract killing of the unborn.

This wasn't elective, the fetus would have been mentally retarded on top of having a hole in its heart when it was born. It would have been a sickly child and possibly died of complications. Ending the pregnancy was the right thing to do for all involved, and was backed up by a doctor who explained this to us.

 

[Removable Mind]

lol why was he banned?

wacknuttery!

 

[JayDubya]

This wasn't elective, the fetus would have been mentally retarded on top of having a hole in its heart when it was born. It would have been a sickly child and possibly died of complications. Ending the pregnancy was the right thing to do for all involved, and was backed up by a doctor who explained this to us.

Yeah, just stop.

What you are describing in your story is a contract killing, entirely elective and entirely for personal convenience.

What I said above applies as a general rule applies fully in this specific scenario, true or not.

 

[Shadowless]

Yeah, just stop.

What you are describing in your story is a contract killing, entirely elective and entirely for personal convenience.

What I said above applies as a general rule applies fully in this specific scenario, true or not.

Contract killing? It was a medical procedure. Get your facts straight. You have NO right to tell me and my family what to do in that situation, so check yourself.

 

[Frank Apisa]

Contract killing? It was a medical procedure. Get your facts straight. You have NO right to tell me and my family what to do in that situation, so check yourself.

There is no reasoning with some people on this issue, Shadowless. This issue brings out the very worst in the "I want to tell them what they can and cannot do" crowd.

The issue is not really even about abortion...or no abortion.

There has always been abortion...apparently the second oldest profession occasioned by the oldest profession.

Abortions will always be sought...and will always be furnished.

It is about keeping a medical procedure...a medical procedure. It is about making the medical procedure as safe and professionally handled as possible.

Keep fighting the good fight. There are many of us who are with you.

 

[Shadowless]

There is no reasoning with some people on this issue, Shadowless. This issue brings out the very worst in the "I want to tell them what they can and cannot do" crowd.

The issue is not really even about abortion...or no abortion.

There has always been abortion...apparently the second oldest profession occasioned by the oldest profession.

Abortions will always be sought...and will always be furnished.

It is about keeping a medical procedure...a medical procedure. It is about making the medical procedure as safe and professionally handled as possible.

Keep fighting the good fight. There are many of us who are with you.

Thank you, I appreciate your input. What they don't realize is that we are the majority

 

[JayDubya]

Contract killing? It was a medical procedure. Get your facts straight. You have NO right to tell me and my family what to do in that situation, so check yourself.

The scenario you describe was that of a contract killing for convenience. A contract killing is not a "medical procedure."

I have every right to say that those who engage in hiring a contract killer belong in prison. The law should not discriminate based upon the age of the victim.

Repairing a VSD is a medical procedure. Deliberately killing a kid because his or her parents are paying you is not.

 

[Shadowless]

The scenario you describe was that of a contract killing for convenience. A contract killing is not a "medical procedure."

I have every right to say that those who engage in hiring a contract killer belong in prison. The law should not discriminate based upon the age of the victim.

Repairing a VSD is a medical procedure. Deliberately killing a kid because his or her parents are paying you is not.

Excuse me, this was a medical procedure. You cannot force a woman to give birth to a fetus that would not have much of a chance at a good life. A fetus is not a child until it is born and can function on its own, so it was indeed a medical procedure.

You do NOT have a right to get in between a woman and her doctor. Why don't you spend your energy protecting children that are already alive?

 

[JayDubya]

Excuse me, this was a medical procedure.

You cannot force a woman to give birth to a fetus that would not have much of a chance at a good life. A fetus is not a child until it is born and can function on its own, so it was indeed a medical procedure.

Nope, contract killing.

If your story is true - and I hope it wasn't - then this is all self-serving justification. The couple in your story were party to hiring someone to kill their own kid because their kid had a disability and a heart condition.

The motive for the killing in this scenario as described is plain as day.

You do NOT have a right to get in between a woman and her doctor. Why don't you spend your energy protecting children that are already alive?

No one has a right to kill another innocent human being in aggression, nor to hire someone to do so for them, and those who do belong in prison.

Anyone who is party to what is objectively an aggressive homicide is dangerous and does not belong in the general population.

 

[Shadowless]

Nope, contract killing.

If your story is true - and I hope it wasn't - then this is all self-serving justification. The couple in your story were party to hiring someone to kill their own kid because their kid had a disability and a heart condition.

The motive for the killing in this scenario as described is plain as day.



No one has a right to hire to kill another innocent human being in aggression and those who do belong in prison.

Wow, you are a fanatic on par with the Taliban. That is indeed a true story, it's my story. You can repeat your little talking point all you want, if it makes you feel better. If this was a "contract killing" as you propose, I would already be in jail.

It's a medical procedure whether you like it or not, I just hope you find your way out of your own ignorance, for your sake.

Also, stay the hell out of the lives of others and focus on your own.

 

[JayDubya]

Wow, you are a fanatic on par with the Taliban.

Coming from someone who has claimed to do what you have claimed, your criticism means less than nothing to me.

Note - the Taliban have been routinely involved in killing innocent human beings.

Comparing folks to them for standing in opposition to aggressive violence, against those who commit homicide without justification is ridiculous - the only valid comparison would be between abortionists (plus their clients) and the Taliban.

If this was a "contract killing" as you propose, I would already be in jail.

You have the Supreme Court to thank for their lies about the Constitution, then.

As a rule, those who have killed innocent human beings in aggression still belong in prison.

 

[Henrin]

Excuse me, this was a medical procedure. You cannot force a woman to give birth to a fetus that would not have much of a chance at a good life. A fetus is not a child until it is born and can function on its own, so it was indeed a medical procedure.

You do NOT have a right to get in between a woman and her doctor. Why don't you spend your energy protecting children that are already alive?

That's a pretty bizarre way from framing it. Do you believe the unborn are not alive?

 

[Reformedfindlay]

Self defense is permissible because it is act of violence to end violence and secure the life of the victim. The death penalty is a matter of revenge that ends life needlessly.

I'm willing to bet at least a dozen of people on this forum agree with this statement whole-heartedly.

IDGAF, I'm giving this the like it deserves.

 

[JayDubya]

Also, stay the hell out of the lives of others and focus on your own.

No thanks, not while dangerous killers with a proven track record of disrespect for the lives and rights of others are running free.

I happen to be a human being and I don't much care for those who kill human beings without just cause, seeing as I wouldn't want to be killed by someone like that.

Justice needs to be sought for the victims' sake.

 

[tres borrachos]

LOL why was he banned?

I'll bet he was a visitor with another name at some point. I looked at his posts and didn't see anything ban-worthy. Some mods are really good at sniffing out the stinky socks.