Buzz Aldrin is suing his children. They say they are trying to protect the space legend. (1 Viewer)

[JANFU]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...top-stories_buzz-aldrin-1245pm:homepage/story

Two of Buzz Aldrin’s children were worried about him. The famous astronaut was getting older, showing “increased confusion and memory loss,” Andy and Jan Aldrin, his son and daughter, said in a statement. So they sought to protect him from the “debilitating effects of his worsening condition,” they said, seeking a court order that would install them as guardians, able to oversee his finances and fend off outsiders seeking to profit off his name and image.

Instead, Edwin E. “Buzz” Aldrin Jr., 88, the second man to walk on the moon, who famously described its “magnificent desolation,” took the action as an affront.

Figured this was the best place to discuss. For those of us older members, we never know if we will end up with diminished capabilities to make informed decisions.

I linked to the news article as it does have relevant information and family division. We have also heard of cases where Nichiren abused the Judicial/Medical system for self enrichment and stealing their parent(s) wealth for themselves. Not saying hat is the case here
Note his net worth - estimated 12 Mil.
He has 3 children, 2 sons and 1 daughter.
2 are involved in the suit. I wonder about the other
So I hope I am not in violation of any rules here, checked, but I do make mistakes

So if anyone wishes to discuss what is a horrible situation for all involved, please feel free to add you experiences and cases you have seen.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buzz_Aldrin

 

[Rexedgar]

End of life/family/money is a volatile mix......

 

[cuban smokes]

End of life/family/money is a volatile mix......

and if everyone involved is not on the same page it can get worse than it already is

 

[JANFU]

and if everyone involved is not on the same page it can get worse than it already is

That and add in family rivalries, money, always money as it changes people. Have you ever seen how a funeral and the will tears families apart

 

[dirtpoorchris]

What little bastards. If he wanted to give him his legacy earned he would have gave it to them. At least wait till the guy's dead ffs.

I bet they are giving him hard to remember **** on purpose that an old man would have trouble remembering just to make him look extra doddering.

Or trivial things that he would dismiss and forget anyways.

 

[cuban smokes]

That and add in family rivalries, money, always money as it changes people. Have you ever seen how a funeral and the will tears families apart

I'm not sure if it is 'time' for the Aldrin children to pursue this, yet.
I'm not sure Buzz has some documented medical condition that is known by his children that he has shared with them.

In the case of both my parents, there was no question that it was appropriate for one, or more of the children to take decisive measures concerning the day to day living arrangements of both parents, and to protect the assets of our parents.
One parent had advanced Alzheimer's & the other was in end stage (terminal) cancer so, again, no doubt as to what was appropriate.
It helped that all siblings had no arguments on pretty much a single thing.

Our family learned quite a lot from the whole scenario. It was a humbling experience for us all & it brought us all closer together.
We were fortunate because many families go the opposite direction and end up fighting like cats & dogs.

 

[Rexedgar]

I'm not sure if it is 'time' for the Aldrin children to pursue this, yet.
I'm not sure Buzz has some documented medical condition that is known by his children that he has shared with them.

In the case of both my parents, there was no question that it was appropriate for one, or more of the children to take decisive measures concerning the day to day living arrangements of both parents, and to protect the assets of our parents.
One parent had advanced Alzheimer's & the other was in end stage (terminal) cancer so, again, no doubt as to what was appropriate.
It helped that all siblings had no arguments on pretty much a single thing.

Our family learned quite a lot from the whole scenario. It was a humbling experience for us all & it brought us all closer together.
We were fortunate because many families go the opposite direction and end up fighting like cats & dogs.

From the WAPO this morning; maybe the kids have a legitimate concern?

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[cuban smokes]

From the WAPO this morning; maybe the kids have a legitimate concern?

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yeah; like i said, I haven't heard of anything so, I don't know what his situation is.

I have seen what age can do to people & it typically aint good ........

I have also seen well intentioned care givers make mistakes in judgement

 

[Utility Man]

From the WAPO this morning; maybe the kids have a legitimate concern?

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[ludin]

That and add in family rivalries, money, always money as it changes people. Have you ever seen how a funeral and the will tears families apart

That is the worst thing right there. i always get suspicious of family when they go we want to protect the family money.

I know when my grandmother died some of the kids threw a fit that they couldn't find something.
well my grandmother had given it to me and my brother a long long time ago because she caught my uncle
stealing from it one day.

it is locked in a safety deposit box.

 

[JANFU]

That is the worst thing right there. i always get suspicious of family when they go we want to protect the family money.

I know when my grandmother died some of the kids threw a fit that they couldn't find something.
well my grandmother had given it to me and my brother a long long time ago because she caught my uncle
stealing from it one day.

it is locked in a safety deposit box.

Something a friend told me. Parents passed- 7 sons, all married. 1 son was the executor. Major assets house/land were sold off. Divided equally

When it came to dividing up the contents of the house the executor made the rules. Numbers in a jar, all pick from that, 1 thru 7 No wives present or to be contacted. They went thru the house in their sequential order numbering what they wished to have. Went smooth as hell. No wives.

 

[ludin]

Something a friend told me. Parents passed- 7 sons, all married. 1 son was the executor. Major assets house/land were sold off. Divided equally

When it came to dividing up the contents of the house the executor made the rules. Numbers in a jar, all pick from that, 1 thru 7 No wives present or to be contacted. They went thru the house in their sequential order numbering what they wished to have. Went smooth as hell. No wives.

that is a nice method.

beats what happened to my great grandfather.

he passed away and people went in before they were supposed to and were just taking stuff.
someone was couldn't believe that they sold a lot of his old plate for like a dollar a piece at the
flea market.

the issue was those plates and glasses and bowls etc were all depression ware glass.
it was worth thousands. they sold it for dollars.

idiots.

 

[JANFU]

that is a nice method.

beats what happened to my great grandfather.

he passed away and people went in before they were supposed to and were just taking stuff.
someone was couldn't believe that they sold a lot of his old plate for like a dollar a piece at the
flea market.

the issue was those plates and glasses and bowls etc were all depression ware glass.
it was worth thousands. they sold it for dollars.

idiots.

Yep, sad what peoples greed causes. In its heyday some pieces of depression glass went for in the thousands when it was a rare type

 

[justabubba]

has a mental acuity test performed and allows a major national newspaper to publish the results, which demonstrate he is still very competent
is presented to the court as having dementia yet has the presence of mind to hire a lawyer and challenge those legal efforts to separate him from control of his wealth
son transfers half a million dollars from buzz' account to his own over two years

from what is now observable, it would seem the kids are concerned about the preservation of their inheritance, despite that it is money their father earned

anyway, buzz had the coolest astronaut name ever

 

[dirtpoorchris]

Right... the simple fact that he is hiring a lawyer means a kid or 2 (the ones doing this) need to be writ out of his will.

 

[RAMOSS]

Something a friend told me. Parents passed- 7 sons, all married. 1 son was the executor. Major assets house/land were sold off. Divided equally

When it came to dividing up the contents of the house the executor made the rules. Numbers in a jar, all pick from that, 1 thru 7 No wives present or to be contacted. They went thru the house in their sequential order numbering what they wished to have. Went smooth as hell. No wives.

When my father passed away, he had a duck decoy collection.I took pictures .. and we made an album of all of them. Then, my sister and I alternated taking a duck/goose or shorebird..

 

[Crosscheck]

anyway, buzz had the coolest astronaut name ever

Buzz Lightyear from Toy Story owes Mr Aldrin big time.

 

[MrWonka]

So if anyone wishes to discuss what is a horrible situation for all involved, please feel free to add your experiences and cases you have seen.

I guess I can't speak to this one individual situation, but I do feel like this is a problem that is going to become more and more prevalent with time.

Lately, I've been thinking a lot about how the baby boomer generation unlike almost every other generation in history is roughly the same size if not bigger than their children's generation. Combine that with the increased life expectancy that modern medical technology is bringing us, and it becomes an interesting political problem.

I firmly believe that most of the biggest political battles throughout history are most often fought between the young and the old. People who want change, and people who like things the way they are. That's almost always a young/old dichotomy. Millenials did not elect Donald Trump. Baby boomers did. These kids who will have to suffer from the consequences of climate change, the national debt, the viability of social security and Medicare, as well as the decisions made by these justices did not want this president at all. The old people who did will almost certainly be dead within 20 years, and won't be around to apologize to their children.

 

[joko104]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...top-stories_buzz-aldrin-1245pm:homepage/story


Figured this was the best place to discuss. For those of us older members, we never know if we will end up with diminished capabilities to make informed decisions.

I linked to the news article as it does have relevant information and family division. We have also heard of cases where Nichiren abused the Judicial/Medical system for self enrichment and stealing their parent(s) wealth for themselves. Not saying hat is the case here
Note his net worth - estimated 12 Mil.
He has 3 children, 2 sons and 1 daughter.
2 are involved in the suit. I wonder about the other
So I hope I am not in violation of any rules here, checked, but I do make mistakes

So if anyone wishes to discuss what is a horrible situation for all involved, please feel free to add you experiences and cases you have seen.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buzz_Aldrin

A sad situation. In Florida, ie "God's Waiting Room," the elderly are ripped off by outsiders all the time - for healthcare to church workers to you name it. Relatives start stealing everything while the person is still alive, literally putting papers in front of their parent(s) or grandparent(s) signing over their house and everything - even to find out the relative then sells the house out from under them or takes out a huge mortgage on a paid for house - for which they literally lose everything for retirement.
Outsiders often get the elderly to sign a will giving that person everything - the elderly having no clue this happened.

This is compounded as many old people in their own age do face dementia, though still live on their own. The most common targets are elderly widows, whose husband took care of all the finances. It truly is tragic and all too common.

In the case of Buzz, probably the court should set up a guardian ad litum. We got in the middle that one time when a couple was working a severely disabled old man in a wheelchair and their trying to get him to sign a new will.

 

[Hawkeye10]

A personal story:

We lived in Rockford Il and my grandpa lived in Kenosha...Grandma had been dead for a few years. The only other kid lived in Minneapolis and ran the legal aid office there, free and low cost legal services for the disadvantaged, and so was super busy and many hours away. My dad had taken the lead in taking care of grandpa, but then he died suddenly, and by suddenly I mean that there were only three days where anyone thought that there was anything seriously wrong with him, for much of a year he had nagging problems that the doctors were working on. My Uncle in Minneapolis wanted to do the right thing but there was no way that he could do that commute, so he told Grandpa that he should move to Minneapolis, that they would take care of him, set him up just as he liked. Well Grandpa was going to hear none of that, he had spent a lifetime of often 70-80 weeks running his printng shop (Very good work) to buy the house he had, he had lived in Kenosha since we was seven or something like that I forget, he was not moving. So my uncle does the best he can to check in by phone and get services and contractors to come by to help. Well there was this husband and wife time that he liked better than the rest, so eventually they moved in. In less than 12 months they took out of that house just about everything that had value.

After not being down in many months Uncle and Aunt just by chance notice stuff missing (OK, it was obvious by this point), look around in detail. Then alarmed looked at the financials and saw a bunch missing (Uncle was smart enough to remove most of the money from their getting, though it is not like there was gobs of money)

Nothing could be proven or something but nothing ever happened to them.....it was later found out that this is what they do...charm old and dull people, and then rob them of most everything as they live rent and board free.

Predators Exist.

 

[dirtpoorchris]

A personal story:

We lived in Rockford Il and my grandpa lived in Kenosha...Grandma had been dead for a few years. The only other kid lived in Minneapolis and ran the legal aid office there, free and low cost legal services for the disadvantaged, and so was super busy and many hours away. My dad had taken the lead in taking care of grandpa, but then he died suddenly, and by suddenly I mean that there were only three days where anyone thought that there was anything seriously wrong with him, for much of a year he had nagging problems that the doctors were working on. My Uncle in Minneapolis wanted to do the right thing but there was no way that he could do that commute, so he told Grandpa that he should move to Minneapolis, that they would take care of him, set him up just as he liked. Well Grandpa was going to hear none of that, he had spent a lifetime of often 70-80 weeks running his printng shop (Very good work) to buy the house he had, he had lived in Kenosha since we was seven or something like that I forget, he was not moving. So my uncle does the best he can to check in by phone and get services and contractors to come by to help. Well there was this husband and wife time that he liked better than the rest, so eventually they moved in. In less than 12 months they took out of that house just about everything that had value.

After not being down in many months Uncle and Aunt just by chance notice stuff missing (OK, it was obvious by this point), look around in detail. Then alarmed looked at the financials and saw a bunch missing (Uncle was smart enough to remove most of the money from their getting, though it is not like there was gobs of money)

Nothing could be proven or something but nothing ever happened to them.....it was later found out that this is what they do...charm old and dull people, and then rob them of most everything as they live rent and board free.

Predators Exist.

Man if only your uncle knew about the new stuff like verizon security plans where your uncle could have had every house livefeed security cameras just to make sure noone is abusing him (or anything)

I really think it should be an option for ever retirement home if the tenant wants it. Technology is at an all time low price. And it would counter so many predators hiding among them. There are suchhhh bad bad bad horror stories of people preying on retirement homes

 

[Hawkeye10]

Man if only your uncle knew about the new stuff like verizon security plans where your uncle could have had every house livefeed security cameras just to make sure noone is abusing him (or anything)

I really think it should be an option for ever retirement home if the tenant wants it. Technology is at an all time low price. And it would counter so many predators hiding among them. There are suchhhh bad bad bad horror stories of people preying on retirement homes

I maybe should have pointed out that the story takes place around 1987/1988.