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Bussing migrants to sanctuary cities

Is it cruel to bus migrants to sanctuary city shelters who are ready to take care of them?

  • Yes

  • No

  • Maybe


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If the migrants are told the truth and agree to the move, then of course it's OK. But everything has to be in place as you described. 95 plus percent of these people are asylum seekers. Which means they are not here illegally. In which case they can't be forced to go anywhere against their will.
and they have to have the 100% permission from ICE to actually move from the area where their court date is.
 
What hardship?
Having to pay for the seekers' food, shelter, having to pay for the man-hours it takes to process them-- the list goes ever on.

If it's such a noble thing to follow the law and spend money on these applicants, Blue States ought to be eager to take on the expense, as it would give them even more to virtue signal about.
 
last I checked there is not a civil war where we have union troops shooting at civilians or civilians claiming war upon the US.
There's a reason I said "even in peace-time," you know?

As I said, Trump had the right to obviate a law hurting American citizens, and Biden had the right to reverse the policy for whatever dubious reasons.
 
Having to pay for the seekers' food, shelter, having to pay for the man-hours it takes to process them-- the list goes ever on.

If it's such a noble thing to follow the law and spend money on these applicants, Blue States ought to be eager to take on the expense, as it would give them even more to virtue signal about.
You forget that most of the federal money spent in the red states on immigration comes from blue states with very few exceptions.
 
Having to pay for the seekers' food, shelter, having to pay for the man-hours it takes to process them-- the list goes ever on.

If it's such a noble thing to follow the law and spend money on these applicants, Blue States ought to be eager to take on the expense, as it would give them even more to virtue signal about.
The vast majority of immigrants end up in blue cities and states because that is where the jobs are at. For example, Texas is a red state, but where do the migrants go there? Dallas - blue, Houston - blue, Austin - blue and so on. Sure, there are some migrants that end up in meat packing towns in places like Western Kansas (where they are a godsend to the local economy), but the vast majority will end up in blue cities.
 
A group of migrants volunteer to be taken to a sanctuary city.

A bus is provided to take them. They are given any food, water, clothing that they need for the trip.

Coordination with migrant charities and organizations in that city are contacted beforehand so they will be ready.

The bus drops the migrants off at these shelters were volunteers are ready to give them shelter, food, clothing, etc.

Is anything above cruel? Please vote and explain.

Note: We're not talking about political moves like dropping them at politician's houses. The above migrants are taken directly to shelters.
It would be especially cruel to send the illegal to a sanctuary city as far away from where its court appearance is mandated, maybe somewhere in Canada.

Also, maybe a small amount of water, eight ounces or so, but no food.

That would be great!

MAGA.
 
There's a reason I said "even in peace-time," you know?

As I said, Trump had the right to obviate a law hurting American citizens, and Biden had the right to reverse the policy for whatever dubious reasons.
that isn't how it works...you don't get to claim that a civil war where citizens are shooting at each other over slavery to someone here looking for asylum protection.
 
Having to pay for the seekers' food, shelter, having to pay for the man-hours it takes to process them-- the list goes ever on.

If it's such a noble thing to follow the law and spend money on these applicants, Blue States ought to be eager to take on the expense, as it would give them even more to virtue signal about.
You don’t not have to pay for food and shelter if you detain them. The hours it takes to process them is our obligation, whether in is a blue or red state, no different - tho certainly less costly - than what we have to do with refugees brought here from overseas. This sort of thing is among the stuff the nations of the world pledged themselves to do with the various post WWII treaties enacted in the shadow of the holocaust and other abuses of that period. The treaties protecting refugees are just two of many involving unjust imprisonment, torture, certain economic rights, etc. Sorry if this bothers you, and as I have said, let me know if you want the names of the various treaties so that you can work to rid us of their obligations. Trump suggested ignoring or breaking these laws, but even he was constrained. He suggested torture and war crimes and ignoring refugee law, but was confined to spreading hatred and fear and in the case of war crimes, pardoning the offenders our armed forces had convicted or wanted to try.
 
You don’t not have to pay for food and shelter if you detain them. The hours it takes to process them is our obligation, whether in is a blue or red state, no different - tho certainly less costly - than what we have to do with refugees brought here from overseas. This sort of thing is among the stuff the nations of the world pledged themselves to do with the various post WWII treaties enacted in the shadow of the holocaust and other abuses of that period. The treaties protecting refugees are just two of many involving unjust imprisonment, torture, certain economic rights, etc. Sorry if this bothers you, and as I have said, let me know if you want the names of the various treaties so that you can work to rid us of their obligations. Trump suggested ignoring or breaking these laws, but even he was constrained. He suggested torture and war crimes and ignoring refugee law, but was confined to spreading hatred and fear and in the case of war crimes, pardoning the offenders our armed forces had convicted or wanted to try.
I suspect he probably supports DeSantis idea to invade Mexico and also to kick out US citizen children born to immigrants.
 
It depends. If you are using humans as political props, then it is the height of cruelty.
According to whose rules?
What are the circumstances behind getting migrants who are cleared to be in the U.S. bused to a sanctuary state or city? If the migrants agree to go and they sign waivers to get on a bus or a plane, then what it wrong with that/

If you don't know the individual circumstances, how can you possibly decide what is "the height of cruelty"?
 
You forget that most of the federal money spent in the red states on immigration comes from blue states with very few exceptions.
What an expansive statement. You wrote that on the basis of what?
What is 'most'?
Does anyone have an idea of what the poster meant?
 
According to whose rules?
What are the circumstances behind getting migrants who are cleared to be in the U.S. bused to a sanctuary state or city? If the migrants agree to go and they sign waivers to get on a bus or a plane, then what it wrong with that/

If you don't know the individual circumstances, how can you possibly decide what is "the height of cruelty"?
If you trick people into getting onto a bus or plane to send them somewhere else based on lies you are telling them like there are jobs for them there, housing and so on - when you haven't arranged any of that, it is indeed cruelty.
 
If you trick people into getting onto a bus or plane to send them somewhere else based on lies you are telling them like there are jobs for them there, housing and so on - when you haven't arranged any of that, it is indeed cruelty.
OK, I agree with you. No trickery.
And, of course, you are attributing such skulduggery to GOP politicians who have migrants sign on the dotted line that they agree to go where they were told they would go.
Whatever happened to those law suits against DeSantis for giving free transportation for Venezuelans to go to Martha's Vineyard or to Sacramento CA?
 
What an expansive statement. You wrote that on the basis of what?
What is 'most'?
Does anyone have an idea of what the poster meant?
Many red states take in more federal tax dollars than they contribute. That's plain fact.
 
According to whose rules?
What are the circumstances behind getting migrants who are cleared to be in the U.S. bused to a sanctuary state or city? If the migrants agree to go and they sign waivers to get on a bus or a plane, then what it wrong with that/

If you don't know the individual circumstances, how can you possibly decide what is "the height of cruelty"?
Question for you: what motivated DeSantis to move the migrants? Was it:
A- To assist them to obtain asylum?
B- Help them get to destinations to which they were bound, say near relatives?
C- To make some childish political point?
D- Some other motive?
My pick is C

Second point. Why hasn’t he sent North Cuban people who have made it to Florida ostensibly seeking protection?
 
It would be especially cruel to send the illegal to a sanctuary city as far away from where its court appearance is mandated, maybe somewhere in Canada.

Also, maybe a small amount of water, eight ounces or so, but no food.

That would be great!

MAGA.
Your generosity and understanding of the human condition is inspiring. I bet you also are so grateful at how current immigration, much as past, subsidizes our economy and lifestyles.
 
Question for you: what motivated DeSantis to move the migrants? Was it:
A- To assist them to obtain asylum?
B- Help them get to destinations to which they were bound, say near relatives?
C- To make some childish political point?
D- Some other motive?
My pick is C

Second point. Why hasn’t he sent North Cuban people who have made it to Florida ostensibly seeking protection?
To answer your leading question, if 'C' choice was given without the snarky 'childish' comment, then that is the answer. He did that to make a political point. To show that Biden and his idiot henchman Majorcas don't give a damn about enforcing federal laws at the border. He got the publicity he was looking for. And for those who will never vote for DeSantis, they will accept what he did for what it is worth.

You want me to get into the mind of a GOP candidate to tell you why he hasn't shipped Cubans to the North - wherever "North" is.? Does anyone have an answer to that 'gotcha' question?
 
If you trick people into getting onto a bus or plane to send them somewhere else based on lies you are telling them like there are jobs for them there, housing and so on - when you haven't arranged any of that, it is indeed cruelty.
You have no documented evidence about "lies" or trickery or what constitutes "cruelty" when putting migrants on buses or planes.
You have your own confirmation bias and your dislike for DeSantis (and Abbott) to where you would believe anything you read about DeSantis.
He did what he did to make a political point. What more do you need to know?
There are lawsuits trying to make him a criminal suspect. If there is a crime there, then why not let it play out?
 
You have no documented evidence about "lies" or trickery or what constitutes "cruelty" when putting migrants on buses or planes.
You have your own confirmation bias and your dislike for DeSantis (and Abbott) to where you would believe anything you read about DeSantis.
He did what he did to make a political point. What more do you need to know?
There are lawsuits trying to make him a criminal suspect. If there is a crime there, then why not let it play out?

“They were told there was a surprise present for them, and that there would be jobs and housing awaiting for them when they arrived. This was obviously a sadistic lie,” said Rachel Self, a Boston immigration attorney who was assisting with the migrants’ cases.

"Bexar County Sheriff Javier Salazar announced the probe on Monday night, saying that his office believes the migrants who were shuttled to the Massachusetts island on Sept. 14 were lured under false pretenses, which DeSantis denies.

"What infuriates me the most about this case is that here we have 48 people that are already on hard times, right?" Salazar said at a press conference. "They are here legally, in our country. At that point, they have every right to be where they are. And I believe that they were preyed upon."
 
“They were told there was a surprise present for them, and that there would be jobs and housing awaiting for them when they arrived. This was obviously a sadistic lie,” said Rachel Self, a Boston immigration attorney who was assisting with the migrants’ cases.

"Bexar County Sheriff Javier Salazar announced the probe on Monday night, saying that his office believes the migrants who were shuttled to the Massachusetts island on Sept. 14 were lured under false pretenses, which DeSantis denies.

"What infuriates me the most about this case is that here we have 48 people that are already on hard times, right?" Salazar said at a press conference. "They are here legally, in our country. At that point, they have every right to be where they are. And I believe that they were preyed upon."
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It would seem to me that 48 Venezuelans should consider themselves the luckiest migrants in the world.
They almost died in the jungles trying to get to Mexico and now they are living in Massachusetts being treated well by the natives there.


 
jr
It would seem to me that 48 Venezuelans should consider themselves the luckiest migrants in the world.
They almost died in the jungles trying to get to Mexico and now they are living in Massachusetts being treated well by the natives there.


Now you have the proof of the cruelty.

DeSantis is wrong for dumping them unexpectedly in strange lands.

To do that right, he should coordinate with the destination and ensure that everything is prepared for the arrival.

You wouldn't show up on at a stranger's door without an invitation and expect to be housed and fed, would you? That's what DeSantis did to these people.

It's wrong and you know it.
 
You don’t not have to pay for food and shelter if you detain them. The hours it takes to process them is our obligation, whether in is a blue or red state, no different - tho certainly less costly - than what we have to do with refugees brought here from overseas. This sort of thing is among the stuff the nations of the world pledged themselves to do with the various post WWII treaties enacted in the shadow of the holocaust and other abuses of that period. The treaties protecting refugees are just two of many involving unjust imprisonment, torture, certain economic rights, etc. Sorry if this bothers you, and as I have said, let me know if you want the names of the various treaties so that you can work to rid us of their obligations. Trump suggested ignoring or breaking these laws, but even he was constrained. He suggested torture and war crimes and ignoring refugee law, but was confined to spreading hatred and fear and in the case of war crimes, pardoning the offenders our armed forces had convicted or wanted to try.
It's not an obligation in the least. It's a political football, in which the Left encourages illegals to make a dangerous journey and get themselves into hock to the cartels, just so that the administration can make a show of opening their gates wide to the "huddled masses" before actually sending back the vast majority of applicants, most of whom had no justification to seek asylum. Trump saw that the law had been perverted by Leftie virtue signaling and took action to stop encouraging illegal caravans.

I'd be happy to get into your irrelevant claims about "war crimes" on another thread, since Joe Biden's the greatest war criminal of all time.
 
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