Business Owner Backs the Law That Shut Her Down

[Scatty Kitty]

What your babble boils down to is you advocating for more government control over business. In other words...socialism.

Oh please I'm talking about nationalism. Socialists hate nationalism. You know all of that July 4th stuff? Socialists hate it. Nationalists love it. Ugh it's like talking to someone who doesn't know the basics. Socialists want to replace nationalism with the working class conscious.

 

[Scatty Kitty]

The point is to make money to pay your bills. If my skills can't justify whatever minimum wage is, then I can't legally work. A price floor on wages hurts those at the very bottom of the economic ladder.



No, you're not better off stealing things, because if the owner catches you, you might get killed or maimed. If the cops catch you, the outcome could be the same.

You are aware you're making an argument from animals right? You're making an argument that only the strong deserve what they have and the weak must suffer what they must right? I want to make sure you understand that.

 

[LouC]

I can imagine she went out of business because she ate so much avocado toast.

 

[Questerr]

All a business owner needs to do is pay an employee what they are worth...not what they need to survive.

And if that's not enough to survive, the employee's should what? Starve quietly?

 

[Parrish]

All a business owner needs to do is pay an employee what they are worth...not what they need to survive.

$15 an hour?

 

[ScrambledEggs]

MSN

This is about the minimum wage hike in California:



Labor is a cost, and the lower the cost, the better. Using government laws to artificially raise the cost of labor in order to benefit "the worker" is as stupid as using the government to artificially raise the cost of rent in order to benefit landlords (which the idiot government does, btw, especially in California).



This imbecile "fully supports" the law which forced her to close her business.

All of her employees lost their jobs because of the law.

All of her customers can no longer enjoy going to her coffee shop because of the law.

All three groups are harmed by the law - the owner, the workers, and the customers.

Nobody benefits.

All business owners must follow laws. If her business isn't strong enough to surprise, welp, sorry. The strong businesses will.

I am sorry shitty weak businesses can't abuse desperate people.

 

[AConcernedCitizen]

It's a business transaction, just like any other. The employee wants as much money as possible and the employer wants to pay as little as possible. Putting a limit on how cheap I may sell my own labor does not in any way make me better off.

Of course it does.

That is how unions work. When you join a union, you aren't allowed to underbid union negotiated wages, or you will lose the benefits of union membership. Everyone in the union benefits from using collective bargaining power to keep wages higher for union members.

 

[aociswundumho]

Of course it does.

No it doesn't. If my skills are only worth $20 per hour in the labor market, and the minimum wage is $30, then I can't legally work. That does not make me better off.

That is how unions work. When you join a union, you aren't allowed to underbid union negotiated wages, or you will lose the benefits of union membership. Everyone in the union benefits from using collective bargaining power to keep wages higher for union members.

The labor cartel prevents workers outside of the cartel from competing with its members. The first unions were formed to prevent newly freed blacks from competing with white workers. The labor cartel basically monopolizes the labor supply in order to benefit themselves. That's why unions had to be made specifically exempt from antitrust laws.

 

[AConcernedCitizen]

No it doesn't. If my skills are only worth $20 per hour in the labor market, and the minimum wage is $30, then I can't legally work. That does not make me better off.

If enough labour is going unutilized, then it suggests that $30/hrs is beyond the peak of the bell curve and that the optimum minimum wage is a bit lower.

But assuming that the $30/hr minimum wage had already been optimized, you would be better off spending your time and energy developing skills to be more in line with the expectations of society, than performing labour at $20/hr.

The labor cartel prevents workers outside of the cartel from competing with its members. The first unions were formed to prevent newly freed blacks from competing with white workers. The labor cartel basically monopolizes the labor supply in order to benefit themselves. That's why unions had to be made specifically exempt from antitrust laws

You are misinformed. Laborers organizing to leverage collective bargaining power long predates the Civil War.

But I don't see where you are arguing that these 'labour cartels' as you call them are ineffective.

 

[StillBallin75]

Every "business owner" who can't pay a damn living wage but insists on continuing to run their damn business should be forced to reverse roles with the employees they're trying to screw and exploit.

 

[Luce]

TODAY I LEARNED THAT SEATTLE IS IN CALIFORNIA.

 

[Luce]

So it turns out the entire OP was a big fabricated lie.



The business closed because it was sharing space with a florist that decided to go online, and the entire space got leased out. A Fox affiliate thought they would get more clicks by demonizing blue states, and true to form @aociswundumho bought it hook, line and sinker.

What? @aociswundumho LIED to us?

 

[phoenix2020]

What? @aociswundumho LIED to us?

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It was a real shocker to me.

 

[EnigmaO01]

More than 50 years here as very small business owners/operators. We knew and know better than to stick it to our employees re wages and benefits.

I worked at places that were stingy on wages but at the same time couldn't figure out why they had such a turn over. You just can't fix stupid.

 

[SCrider]

MSN

This is about the minimum wage hike in California:



Labor is a cost, and the lower the cost, the better. Using government laws to artificially raise the cost of labor in order to benefit "the worker" is as stupid as using the government to artificially raise the cost of rent in order to benefit landlords (which the idiot government does, btw, especially in California).



This imbecile "fully supports" the law which forced her to close her business.

All of her employees lost their jobs because of the law.

All of her customers can no longer enjoy going to her coffee shop because of the law.

All three groups are harmed by the law - the owner, the workers, and the customers.

Nobody benefits.

Do you expect anyone to take you seriously?

 

[AZRWinger]

So you are killing labor in your trolley problem to save capital and customer.

Killing labor? Nobody is forced to work at the restaurant. Employees are free to seek better paying jobs elsewhere. The fact is they continued to work at the restaurant.