Bush warns of World War III if Iran goes nuclear

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Go to the link I provided with Cherokee's statement and read my response to him.

Then come back and act accordingly.

Don't care unless it provides the international court that has ruled that the liberation of Iraq was illegal.

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by TOT:
Which international court with jurisdiction has ruled that the Iraq war violated international law?

Which international court ruled we had jurisdiction to go into Iraq?

That's what I thought.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Which international court ruled we had jurisdiction to go into Iraq?

That's what I thought.

Which international court have we given sovereignty over the U.S. military to?

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by TOT:
Don't care unless it provides the international court that has ruled that the liberation of Iraq was illegal.

Which international court have we given sovereignty over the U.S. military to?

Aaahh, trying to use Johnny Cochran's "Chubaka Defense".

 

[GottaHurt]

Does anyone think that in the real world, in real life that such an incredibly idiotic idea would ever be discussed?

So naive, so naive. It's discussed all the time. Why do you think we built so many nukes?

Oh, and the success rate, batting a 1000. Ended WWII by knocking out Japan with 2 nukes, saved hundreds of thousands of American lives. We then rebuilt Japan, and look at them today.

No seriously, pick up a history book sometime, and you might learn something.

Yep, just like shooting fish in a barrel, or ducks on a pond. Those are idioms by the way. :2wave:

 

[Onine]

What the heck is the matter with you people? :roll:

This isnt Iraq we are talking about. This is IRAN. How many americans have to die before you tards grow some balls? If I go to war to protect american lives, and die, I am going to be quite pissed off up in heaven if you tree huggers keep ranting like a bunch of mindless tootoo dancing fools. This isn't family fued. This isnt wheel of fortune. This is life. This is real. Anyone who talks anti-war sh!t about this isn't just a dodger, but a coward and an anti-american unpatriotic flower picking cloud counting daisy. This guy is supporting terrorists. This guy is FUNDING terrorists that kill american soldiers. What the he!! is the matter with you people?! :doh


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[Iriemon]

What the heck is the matter with you people? :roll:

This isnt Iraq we are talking about. This is IRAN. How many americans have to die before you tards grow some balls? If I go to war to protect american lives, and die, I am going to be quite pissed off up in heaven if you tree huggers keep ranting like a bunch of mindless tootoo dancing fools. This isn't family fued. This isnt wheel of fortune. This is life. This is real. Anyone who talks anti-war sh!t about this isn't just a dodger, but a coward and an anti-american unpatriotic flower picking cloud counting daisy. This guy is supporting terrorists. This guy is FUNDING terrorists that kill american soldiers. What the he!! is the matter with you people?! :doh


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Mr. Vice President, is that you?

 

[Onine]

there is a difference between being critical and being an a$$hat.

but, hey, if you don't give a damn about the lives of fellow americans... then, I dont know what to say. I guess that all rests on your karma when all is said and done. I will die a good man whichever way you lean. I won't let my hate for one man dictate my hate for my entire country. I hate bush, but I love my country, and I respect the soldiers who are dying to save your sorry ***. And if they aren't dying to "save your sorry ***", then I will rephrase ahead of time thusly, "I respect the american soldiers dying--which you, obviously, do not.

Edit: and I will remind you that I am in no way conservative. The conservatives can vouch for that.

 

[bhkad]

Ooooo let me try Bhkad! I've read enough of your posts. I think I can connect the dots.

Let's see.....

Bin Laden planned 9-11; Yup.

Bin Laden is a MUSLIM; Yup.

Iran is run by MUSLIMS, Yup.

MUSLIMS read the QUORAN; Yup.

There is where you lost it. Just as you and some others might say that Islam and the Koran are varied and complex and are hard to understand, so is my comprehension of it.

and therefore IRAN planned 9-11; Nope

and should be nuked into OBLIVION. ONLY IF THERE IS NO OTHER WAY TO PREVENT IRAN BECOMING A JIHADIST STATE WITH NUCLEAR WEAPONRY

I ask you now, "How's that?"

 

[Iriemon]

Bin Laden planned 9-11; Yup.

Bin Laden is a MUSLIM; Yup.

Iran is run by MUSLIMS, Yup.

MUSLIMS read the QUORAN; Yup.

There is where you lost it. Just as you and some others might say that Islam and the Koran are varied and complex and are hard to understand, so is my comprehension of it.

and therefore IRAN planned 9-11; Nope

and should be nuked into OBLIVION. ONLY IF THERE IS NO OTHER WAY TO PREVENT IRAN BECOMING A JIHADIST STATE WITH NUCLEAR WEAPONRY

I ask you now, "How's that?"

Damn and I thought I had figured your worldview out!

LOL

 

[Iriemon]

there is a difference between being critical and being an a$$hat.

but, hey, if you don't give a damn about the lives of fellow americans... then, I dont know what to say. I guess that all rests on your karma when all is said and done. I will die a good man whichever way you lean. I won't let my hate for one man dictate my hate for my entire country. I hate bush, but I love my country, and I respect the soldiers who are dying to save your sorry ***. And if they aren't dying to "save your sorry ***", then I will rephrase ahead of time thusly, "I respect the american soldiers dying--which you, obviously, do not.

Edit: and I will remind you that I am in no way conservative. The conservatives can vouch for that.

I see. I challenge your parrotting of the neocon/Bush Admin line on Iran, and you come back with "you hate your country and soldiers."

It is you, Mr. Cheney. I knew it.

 

[Onine]

Can we all at least agree that 9-11 no longer has anything to do with anything at all? I mean... why are we even in afghanistan? The guy's in pakistan for pete's sake. Now the Paki's are taking care of it while our thumb is up our butts. My only concern is bringing our troops home. If we have to kick some *** in iran, or where-the-heck-ever, in order to bring our troops home, then that's what we are going to do. Sitting here with a stick up our butts won't really do anything. If you want to sit here and talk all day then why dont you get a collumn at your local newspaper and leave the real-world stuff to people more suitable for the task.

 

[Cold Highway]

Iran will have to be delt with because I dont trust the current heads with Nuclear bombs no matter what Mr. I wanna Jihad says. Military force may be the only way espically since Plutonium-235 Putin is becoming more buddy buddy with him.

 

[Ikari]

What the heck is the matter with you people? :roll:

This isnt Iraq we are talking about. This is IRAN. How many americans have to die before you tards grow some balls? If I go to war to protect american lives, and die, I am going to be quite pissed off up in heaven if you tree huggers keep ranting like a bunch of mindless tootoo dancing fools. This isn't family fued. This isnt wheel of fortune. This is life. This is real. Anyone who talks anti-war sh!t about this isn't just a dodger, but a coward and an anti-american unpatriotic flower picking cloud counting daisy. This guy is supporting terrorists. This guy is FUNDING terrorists that kill american soldiers. What the he!! is the matter with you people?! :doh


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Dissent is hardly unpatriotic, being anti-war is hardly being anti-American. Perpetual state sponsored war...that could be construed as un-American. Nation building and occupation...yeah, that could be un-American as well. Huge government which uses war as an excuse to expand its power and usurp the rights of the individual....you damned well believe that is un-American.

See I can play your little game too. But your intellectually dishonest rant gets us nowhere. Iran has nothing to do with us, they do not pose a threat to America. Furthermore, all this assumption over how they will use a nuke if they were to get it is nothing more than wild speculation. The problem I think some of you have is that a nuke makes Iran pretty well invasion proof to us...and that's where the rub is. So you make up this crap about how we have to take down Iran, but if you do so you're only going to make things worse. You want WW 3....keep up the conquest (also un-American), go around trying to spread our democracy through the sword and see what happens.

Iran has a very healthy middle class, they are a well educated people, they are a united people. These things are necessary for a western style democracy to bud forth. In fact, the Iranians themselves probably would have such a democracy now if it weren't for the clerics (once again, religion getting in the way of progress). We shouldn't be thinking about bombing these guys, we should be considering other ways in which we can encourage the Iranian people to develop for themselves a more advanced democracy. But if we go around bombing it, kiss that goodbye. You will gain the ire of the region as a whole, and you will spur terrorist recruitment through the roof, and you will give those sons of bitches exactly what they want so that they can wage their war. And so blind are you in your rage that you will happily play the part of the puppet for some revenge.

America is tough, the terrorists can't win here. It doesn't matter how many buildings they blow up, it don't matter how many of us they try to kill. They do not have the power to change this country, they do not have the power to take our rights. We were built on a principle for fighting for our liberty, but we were also built upon intellectualism. We are rational and we think things through, and I believe that if we do that now we can find better ways that perpetual war and the purposeful awakening of world war to solve this problem.

 

[Onine]

I wont disagree with you. Your point is valid. If you have one of these imaginary options then I am honestly all ears.

However, Iran has everything to do with lives being lost because they are funding terrorists. Are you seriously going to make me get a source? Because that would be rather unintellectual of you to do.

 

[Ikari]

Ok, first off how is asking for a source unintellectual? In fact, that seems to be the smart thing to do, right...check sources and all that. But if that sort of research is "unintellectual" then...actually, I don't know what then. Go back to high school.

Secondly, they are selling items to the terrorists; of course because some fool thought it a great idea to attack and occupy Iraq. If people are pissed at us and want to fight us, and we stand on the corner what the hell do you think is going to happen? We have occupied Iraq for too long, others are going to get uppity about this and we have made ourselves into a convenient target. Plus our continued intervention is just providing fuel for the fire and aiding in terrorist recruitment. If the recruit faster than we can kill them, we're not in a strategy which can bring about an end...and we definitely won't be bringing about an end if we run around attacking every country in the area. Eventually they're all gonna want nukes to prevent us from running through their piss ant countries, blowing everything sky high. If military intervention results in the enemy growing and becoming stronger, it's time to rethink strategy; not plunge ahead further with the same one.

 

[Onine]

Ok, first off how is asking for a source unintellectual? In fact, that seems to be the smart thing to do, right...check sources and all that. But if that sort of research is "unintellectual" then...actually, I don't know what then. Go back to high school.

You really did not know that Iran is a sponsor of terrorism? You honestly expect me to believe, with all your grand interpretations, that you are not aware of Iran arming terrorists who kill coalition soldiers? As I said, that would be rather unintellectual of you, and apparently it is.

Here is your source. Took me 2 seconds to find on Google. With all your apparent "intellectualism" one would think you would know how to use Google.

http://www.brookings.edu/views/testimony/fellows/byman20050908.pdf

Secondly, they are selling items to the terrorists; of course because some fool thought it a great idea to attack and occupy Iraq.

Because some fool had a dipsh!t idea does not mean we have the right to waste american lives. I distinctively asked you to give me an option, and simply leaving is an answer any 4 year old can come up with. Let's put the closing tags on your rant, ok? I wont even begin to bring up the fact that iran is selling items to terrorists because they sponsor terrorism, because that is plainly listed in the above listed source... not that I ever needed to give a source, because mostly everyone is already aware of that. You are blowing smoke--your fire went out long ago. However you do sound quite smart so kudos for sounding intelligent, but sounding intelligent and actually being intelligent are obviously two different things.

 

[Iriemon]

Can we all at least agree that 9-11 no longer has anything to do with anything at all?

Sure. Who said anything about 9-11. I sure didn't.

I mean... why are we even in afghanistan? The guy's in pakistan for pete's sake. Now the Paki's are taking care of it while our thumb is up our butts.

I agree that if we have not been able to set up a functional self sustaining govt in Afghanistan in 6 years, it's time to reconsider the mission.

My only concern is bringing our troops home. If we have to kick some *** in iran, or where-the-heck-ever, in order to bring our troops home, then that's what we are going to do.

Why would we need to attack/invade Iran to bring the troops home? Doing that would much more likely deepen our engagement.

Sitting here with a stick up our butts won't really do anything. If you want to sit here and talk all day then why dont you get a collumn at your local newspaper and leave the real-world stuff to people more suitable for the task.

"Real world" stuff like the BS that was sold to us for Iraq?

 

[Onine]

Why would we need to attack/invade Iran to bring the troops home? Doing that would much more likely deepen our engagement.

What other options would you suggest? :roll:
Next time you really piss your neighbor off I am going to go buy him a gun and encourage him to shoot you.
Then you will see my logic :mrgreen:


respect

 

[Ikari]

You really did not know that Iran is a sponsor of terrorism? You honestly expect me to believe, with all your grand interpretations, that you are not aware of Iran arming terrorists who kill coalition soldiers? As I said, that would be rather unintellectual of you, and apparently it is.

Here is your source. Took me 2 seconds to find on Google. With all your apparent "intellectualism" one would think you would know how to use Google.

http://www.brookings.edu/views/testimony/fellows/byman20050908.pdf

I didn't say I didn't know, I said you can't honestly say that asking for a source is unintellectual.

Because some fool had a dipsh!t idea does not mean we have the right to waste american lives.

Exactly! So why are we doing it? Why is my brethren being sacrificed for a cause that is not our own? Why is my military being abused and used for occupation? Why is my money being misspent on a war that is not for my freedom, my liberty, my rights? You are completely right in that we should not waste American lives, the US Military is for us, it is to defend our liberty and the soveriegnty of the People. Those are not at stake here, less you want to go into how our own govenrment has used this war to attack our liberty...but that's another thread. So why do we persist? Why do we even go so far as to call for more? If Iraq was such a bad idea, what makes you think Iran is any better an idea? The same f'n thing which is happening in Iraq will happen in Iran, and then what? Tack on another 10-15 years of occupation for that? Bush told us the war would be done by now, that it would pay for itself, and we were bringing happy happy democracy to a people in such desperate need of it.

But why do Americans have to die for the rights and liberties of other people? Why do I have to use my military to bring democracy to other lands? People must fight to obtain their own liberty, it's the only way to truly understand it. So why should we send our own to die for a people whom very well may not even want our freedom or liberty? Why? It is not just, and it is abuse of the power I have given to the government. I do not want American lives wasted, the lives of my brethren are precious. And while a few have bravely taken to duty to put all on the line and risk everything for this nation, I do not wish to use that courage haphazardly. It is my duty as creator of this government, as enabler of this government, to ensure that they are using my power and soveriegnty in a just manner and one which promotes the innate and inalienable rights of the individual.

I distinctively asked you to give me an option, and simply leaving is an answer any 4 year old can come up with. Let's put the closing tags on your rant, ok?

Better than the 2 year old plan of staying the course. We have many tools at our disposal other than military intervention. Proper diplomatic and economic pressures can be employed as well. The real goal is to lessen the perception of America in the region, that is to say attack the main mode of propaganda terrorists use to recruit...hatred for the West. So you trade with them, and you talk to them and you set up good relations. If there isn't the hatred for us, the terrorists will not be able to recruit well enough. If we are on friendly terms with governments, it's easier to get them to help us out. Militarily, we should just leave...that's the bottom line. We screwed up and this mess ain't worth more American lives. It's not working and failed policy isn't worth more American lives. We leave, immediately and completely. We let Iraq rebuild, allow their people to choose for themselves the government they want. They will have to fight amongst themselves to figure out what it is that will serve them best. We open trade with Iran, we get American dollars flowing into their country, we have their people come to our Universities (though Iran has some top notch Universities of their own) and allow people here to go to their Universities. We mix our cultures in a peaceful manner so that the rage subsides. In the end, the governments of the world may be run by a bunch of *******s, but people are people.

 

[Iriemon]

What other options would you suggest? :roll:
Next time you really piss your neighbor off I am going to go buy him a gun and encourage him to shoot you.
Then you will see my logic :mrgreen:

respect

Options?

1) Announce we are leaving Iraq within 6 months.
2) Leave Iraq in 6 months.

 

[Iriemon]

Options?

1) Announce we are leaving Iraq within 6 months.
2) Leave Iraq in 6 months.

As for your neighbor, why are you ******* them off? I generally try not to piss off my neighbors; so I don't worry about them. In fact, I try to make friends with them. Try it.

 

[GottaHurt]

I see. I challenge your parrotting of the neocon/Bush Admin line on Iran

I find this to be an interesting statement. Why must Bush always be the target?

I remember discussing Iran and nuking them back in the 70's after the Shaw fell, and they took our embassy.

Diplomacy, peace treaties, cease fires, sanctions, resolutions, economic aid, humanitarian aid and world pressure hasn't worked.

Bush is the only president we've had with the balls to say enough is enough, we're taking the fight to them.

It's been ugly, anything but perfect, but what war has ever been perfect?

Slowly but surely Iraq is coming under control. It took the United States 13 years after declaring independence before we elected a president. We had a civil war. We still have corruption after 230+ years in existence. Yet we expect oppressed people in a backward a$$ dark ages country, to become a perfect model of democracy in 4 years? Ludicrous.

We're there, we're staying there. The important thing to figure out, with EVERYONES support, is how can we quickly end the fighting, and transition our troops into a supporting role.

Pi$$ing and moaning is water under the bridge, withdrawal is a fantasy.

Solutions for the desired end result, is what is needed now.

 

[Iriemon]

Well, you see Crippler, reasonable people would think exactly THAT way. However, these aren't reasonable times unfortunately. About 20% of the country would blame the other party and it's unfortunate that the minority screams the loudest and gets the most press...

We're in the 'who's to blame' era....

But, Bush has a point, if Iran gets a nuke and actually does what Ahmadinejad says he wants to do and nukes Israel(remember, if is the key word(s) here), then that probably would start WWIII....

I know Ahmadinejad has said harsh things about Israel and thinks they Isreal will be one day "wiped" (or removed, depending upon the source of the translation) from the map. But I don't recall him ever saying he would nuke Israel.

Can you provide a source for that assertion?

 

[reaganburch]

I know Ahmadinejad has said harsh things about Israel and thinks they Isreal will be one day "wiped" (or removed, depending upon the source of the translation) from the map. But I don't recall him ever saying he would nuke Israel.

Can you provide a source for that assertion?

No need for a source, it's an reasonable opinion on the 'how'.... there are other reasonable opinions on the 'how... this is just mine...