Bush Teleconference With Soldiers Staged

[Iriemon]

The big deal is what the big deal always is.

Since the socialist-lib-dems and their media apologists haven't been able to staunch the hemmorhage at the polls for the past six federal elections, all they do is struggle to find any excuse to abuse Republicans.

There's nothing else left for them to do, except to create "big deals'.

I think the Democrats won the presidential election 4 elections ago, and the presidential elections were certainly not a landslide for the nazi-con-Repugs. I think the Democrats are probably more upset about how the nazi-con-Repugs are mortagaging away our future and have the country flailing in a mistaken civil war than anything else. Though there are a lot of other things that nazi-con-Repugs have done that make Democrats mad as well.

Debating is much more fun when you can throw in some insulting name calling, isn't it? :2wave:

 

[MSgt]

I think the Democrats won the presidential election 4 elections ago, and the presidential elections were certainly not a landslide for the nazi-con-Repugs. I think the Democrats are probably more upset about how the nazi-con-Repugs are mortagaging away our future and have the country flailing in a mistaken civil war than anything else. Though there are a lot of other things that nazi-con-Repugs have done that make Democrats mad as well.

Debating is much more fun when you can throw in some insulting name calling, isn't it? :2wave:

I didn't say this as your quoate implies, but..."federal elections" does not just mean presidential elections.

 

[gordontravels]

Um, I'm a bit uncomfortable with you using my post as the reference for this post. Did you find my post objectionable in some way? Do you think I have called anyone any names?

I do agree that those who do engage in name calling, piling on, harrassment of members they don't like, and other childish behavior is a huge turn off for me and disruptive to the thread. If I have been guilty of that in any way, I would like for it to be pointed out, and I will take my lumps.

No need for discomfort AlbqOwl. My first point in the post was to do as I usually do, make a comment on the thread and I used your quote as my intro.

My second point, as I said in my intro, was that the Moderators here aren't doing their job. We have posters out of control and it is, in my estimation, insulting to have to read what they write even if it isn't directed at me. This is a shame because some of these posters are among the most prolific and intelligent in the forum although they come from opposite sides. To lower one's self to name calling instead of going directly for the debate of issues is something the Moderators should address.

I have put in two complaints and made it clear I am not asking for suspensions or banning any members. I am just asking that the rules of decency be upheld by the Moderators; in esscence, that they do their job and enforce the standard rules of any quality forum.

If this forum continues to deteriorate, I wlll find another site to post or spend more time on my writing. I have seen Moderators here actually take part in what should be stopped. I have yet to hear anything about my complaints but that's not important, as long as they are taken seriously.

Again AlbqOwl, I wasn't refering to you and didn't refer to anyone by name. Let the Moderators do what they think is right. We'll see what that is if they do. :duel

 

[gordontravels]

Debating is much more fun when you can throw in some insulting name calling, isn't it? :2wave:

I agree as long as it is directed toward an entity rather than individuals that are members of the forum. It also alerts one to the level of your opinion, who you support and that your need for the most derogatory name calling continues to cloud your posts and cause some of us to skip most of them.

Still, that name calling such as "nazi", as repulsive as it is, is not profane and is not directed toward any particular member. Therefore, it is your method and choice. It only makes your post, not you, seem less intelligent to me. I take that into account when deciding to take the time to try to understand or dismiss your posts. :duel

 

[AlbqOwl]

I don't get it? Please look in the mirror? Do you know what spontaneous means?

Why can't you admit to yourself or understand that knowing the questions before you're asked takes away any semblence of spontaniety?

Andrea Mitchell? Her husband is Alan Greenspan and I find her very middle of the road. How come when any reporter in the course of doing her job reveals truths about Bush it's called media partisanship? She reported the facts and had visual evidence to back it up. Only those blinded with loyalty and lacking any objectivity can conclude that providing the questions well in advance of the answers is spontaneous! Give me a break!

You keep harping back to the "PASS THE BUCK" defense that others do the same thing so it's OK to cheat! That is loser language, sorry. That level of thinking IS the disease that is the Bush Administration.

Why not, for once, have Bush be a frickin' man and admit the truth?

There are so many lies swirling around the Bushie's that they can no longer seperate the truth from the fiction.

Bottom line is that when you give people the questions in advance it is not a spontaneous Q&A. Your attempts to :spin: this to mitigate the damage is very loyal of you, but still very wrong.

I accept that you like Andrea Mitchell. I think she is a mediocre reporter and an advocate for a political party which is unbecoming to any reporter, and who she is married to is immaterial. I accept that you despise President Bush. I don't. You think Andrea would tell nothing but the truth and the whole truth. I have seen her manipulate the news in the past. I accept your point of view however wrong I believe it to be. You have it wrong on this one. I think you should take it like a man and admit it, but will neither require that nor expect it.

 

[Navy Pride]

Andrea Mitchell? Her husband is Alan Greenspan and I find her very middle of the road.

Hell you have gons so far off the left wing whacko deep end that you think someone far left is in the middle.......You have lost it with your hatred.....

 

[gordontravels]

I accept that you like Andrea Mitchell. I think she is a mediocre reporter and an advocate for a political party which is unbecoming to any reporter, and who she is married to is immaterial. I accept that you despise President Bush. I don't. You think Andrea would tell nothing but the truth and the whole truth. I have seen her manipulate the news in the past. I accept your point of view however wrong I believe it to be. You have it wrong on this one. I think you should take it like a man and admit it, but will neither require that nor expect it.

All I have to do is watch any of the many times that Andrea is on either "Imus in the Morning" or "Hardball" with Chris Mathews and see how well she gets along with the host and contributes to the host's particular liberal point of view. On these two programs it is her usual activity. To call Andrea Mitchell "middle-of-the-road" is simply to be a molified happy camper with someone that tells you exactly what you want to hear.

Andrea Mitchell? Middle-of-the-road? I'll drive on the shoulder. :duel

 

[26 X World Champs]

I accept your point of view however wrong I believe it to be. You have it wrong on this one. I think you should take it like a man and admit it, but will neither require that nor expect it.

You seem to have steered off course? My point, which you ignored completely, is that if the soldiers were given the questions before the event and they rehearsed their answers it is NOT spontaneous.

Geez! You keep avoiding this easy to grasp part of this debate. It was promoted as a SPONTANEOUS Q&A but it obviously was not. That's the entire point.

Your posts have diverted over and over again! First you write in several posts that others have done the same thing so we should stop our whining. Then you divert about Andrea Mitchell all the time avoiding the subject.

Must I spell it out for all of you again? :doh

 

[AlbqOwl]

You seem to have steered off course? My point, which you ignored completely, is that if the soldiers were given the questions before the event and they rehearsed their answers it is NOT spontaneous.

Geez! You keep avoiding this easy to grasp part of this debate. It was promoted as a SPONTANEOUS Q&A but it obviously was not. That's the entire point.

Your posts have diverted over and over again! First you write in several posts that others have done the same thing so we should stop our whining. Then you divert about Andrea Mitchell all the time avoiding the subject.

Must I spell it out for all of you again? :doh

And you seem to miss my point. Andrea Mitchell has been around long enough to know how a photo op is staged. The President may or may not have said 'spontaneous or even used that specific word. He might have just meant that the guys had not been coached or scripted in what they were to say. But both he and she knew the advance men had set up the event and she knew very well how it was done. She wasn't going to give him any benefit of the doubt or give him a chance to explain his meaning. To her, it was one more opportunity to divert a positive event into just another opportunity for Bush bashing. It isn't 'dishonest' because she didn't exactly lie. She is just secure knowing that gullible types will automatically draw the wrong conclusion as she intended. And since she is a highly partisan strongly left leaning reporter, there is no reason for her not to do this since there are so many who are eager to just gobble it down. It's really sad.

 

[Thorgasm]

Here's an outside thought. Please don't take it seriously, anyone. But perhaps Bush did want to pass it off as spontaneous and that is why he was so timid and nervous. That is how you know he has not scripted something. I don't really believe that but it is a funny point of view. I really don't think he is that smart. More than likely is that he can't read. :rofl

 

[Donkey1499]

Once again, I ask y'all. Do you know how difficult the IQ test is to become president? Now, if Bush is so dumb, then how the Hell did he become president? He had to of passed that test somehow. And no cheating is allowed. So how the hell did he do it?

Bush just isn't a good public speaker. Clinton was, only because he was good at bull sh***ing ppl anyways. You can't be president if you're a retard...

 

[aps]

I think people can be smart but exude lesser-intelligent behavior that makes them look dumb. That would be Bush.

And how did he become president? Well, let's ask Karl Rove. He is president because of the little whispering games that Bush/Rove play--not because he is exudes intelligence in the way he carries himself. Sure he may not be a good speaker, but come on--he's been president for almost 5 years. You would think we would see at least a little bit of improvement--NOPE.

That whole staged teleconference was hilarious. I actually felt embarrassed for Scott McClellan and the Bush Adminisgtration when Scott had to address that at the press conference. It really made them look like fools. And it just goes to the fact that Bush cannot be around those who don't agree with him. Have you ever heard of a president limiting who can come to his speeches? How pathetic is that?

But I love seeing Bush worried about the lack of support for this war. He is desperate, and it's fun watching a desperate person. I just finished reading All the President's Men. What perfect timing......

 

[Donkey1499]

I think people can be smart but exude lesser-intelligent behavior that makes them look dumb. That would be Bush.

And how did he become president? Well, let's ask Karl Rove. He is president because of the little whispering games that Bush/Rove play--not because he is exudes intelligence in the way he carries himself. Sure he may not be a good speaker, but come on--he's been president for almost 5 years. You would think we would see at least a little bit of improvement--NOPE.

That whole staged teleconference was hilarious. I actually felt embarrassed for Scott McClellan and the Bush Adminisgtration when Scott had to address that at the press conference. It really made them look like fools. And it just goes to the fact that Bush cannot be around those who don't agree with him. Have you ever heard of a president limiting who can come to his speeches? How pathetic is that?

Would you want some radical interrupting you every 5 words that come out of your mouth? I'd screen my speeches as well (not all of them tho). I'd hate to be giving a speech and have some moron, like Cindy Sheehan, marching down the row holding up signs talking about how much of a moron I am. It's not neccessary.

 

[aps]

Would you want some radical interrupting you every 5 words that come out of your mouth? I'd screen my speeches as well (not all of them tho). I'd hate to be giving a speech and have some moron, like Cindy Sheehan, marching down the row holding up signs talking about how much of a moron I am. It's not neccessary.

Well, those who interrupt the speech should be removed--no question on that. Donkey, would you agree that no other president has pulled this kind of crap? If the man is so confident, why would it bother him to see those who don't agree with him? When I feel good about a decision I make or of behavior I have exuded, I don't give a rat's a$$ what others think. He is the president of the UNITED STATES, not of 50% of the United States.

 

[Donkey1499]

Well, those who interrupt the speech should be removed--no question on that. Donkey, would you agree that no other president has pulled this kind of crap? If the man is so confident, why would it bother him to see those who don't agree with him? When I feel good about a decision I make or of behavior I have exuded, I don't give a rat's a$$ what others think. He is the president of the UNITED STATES, not of 50% of the United States.

It's not the fact that they disagree, it's the fact that they are being inconsiderate. The man at the podium has the floor, so he has the right to speak, not some yahoo in the crowd. Now, if ppl have questions AFTER the president gives his speech, then they are welcome to say what they want. Then if the president doesn't want to answer the question, then so be it.

 

[Navy Pride]

Our friends on the left continue to underestimate the intelligence of President Bush and I believe that is a fatal flaw.......Sure he has trouble doing public speaking, a lot of us do but he is not the dummy the Bush haters try to make him out to be...............

Like me he is just and old country boy who is in the spotlight of the world..........A lot of our snob nosed liberal friends like the Kerrys of the world resent that.............

 

[Donkey1499]

Our friends on the left continue to underestimate the intelligence of President Bush and I believe that is a fatal flaw.......Sure he has trouble doing public speaking, a lot of us do but he is not the dummy the Bush haters try to make him out to be...............

Like me he is just and old country boy who is in the spotlight of the world..........A lot of our snob nosed liberal friends like the Kerrys of the world resent that.............

True, Bush isn't stupid. You don't achieve the highest seat in the world by being a retard. But, Bush does have what the Japanese do call a certain "I don't know what." He just chokes a little when giving speeches. I know, cuz I have trouble standing up in front of a group of ppl and giving a speech. It ain't easy.

 

[aps]

It's not the fact that they disagree, it's the fact that they are being inconsiderate. The man at the podium has the floor, so he has the right to speak, not some yahoo in the crowd. Now, if ppl have questions AFTER the president gives his speech, then they are welcome to say what they want. Then if the president doesn't want to answer the question, then so be it.

Donkey, we agree on this issue. I think it's rude for anyone to interrupt a speech. My problem is that he would limit who could come listen to him. I think that's pathetic. Those who interrupt the speech or the rally should be removed.

 

[Navy Pride]

Donkey, we agree on this issue. I think it's rude for anyone to interrupt a speech. My problem is that he would limit who could come listen to him. I think that's pathetic. Those who interrupt the speech or the rally should be removed.

I would be willing to be that any President would have done the same thing President Bush did....I really don't see the big deal.......

 

[Thorgasm]

Once again, I ask y'all. Do you know how difficult the IQ test is to become president? Now, if Bush is so dumb, then how the Hell did he become president? He had to of passed that test somehow. And no cheating is allowed. So how the hell did he do it?

Bush just isn't a good public speaker. Clinton was, only because he was good at bull sh***ing ppl anyways. You can't be president if you're a retard...

LMBO!!! IQ test to become president!!! That's a hoot!

 

[Thorgasm]

Like me he is just and old country boy who is in the spotlight of the world

You are in the spotlight of the world?

 

[aps]

I would be willing to be that any President would have done the same thing President Bush did....I really don't see the big deal.......

Navy Pride, this is why I have pointed this out--no other president has done this kind of thing. W was the first. :shock:

 

[scottyz]

Like me he is just and old country boy who is in the spotlight of the world..........A lot of our snob nosed liberal friends like the Kerrys of the world resent that.............

:rofl :rofl :rofl Bush isn't a country boy. He was born in CT and went to school at Yale with Kerry! :lol:

 

[26 X World Champs]

Like me he is just and old country boy who is in the spotlight of the world..........A lot of our snob nosed liberal friends like the Kerrys of the world resent that.............

:2rofll: :2funny:
Navy Pride, your frickin' genius never ceases to amaze me! I've never laughed so loudly as I do when I read your posts! Great job!

Did you forget that Bush grew up in Connecticut, went to Prep School, Yale and then Harvard? He's just like you? What year did you graduate Yale (or any college for that matter)?

Country boy! Do you mean that you have a country house in Kennebunkport like Georgie did?

You're one frickin' genius!