Bush Says Iran is Source of Deadly Bombs

[jfuh]

WASHINGTON, Feb. 14 -- President Bush said today he is certain that elements of the Iranian government are supplying deadly roadside bombs that kill American troops in Iraq, even if the innermost circle of the government is not involved.
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The United States regards the Quds Force as part of the Iranian government, since the force has historically been under the command of Iran’s senior religious leaders. And even if the highest officials in Tehran have not directly ordered the Quds Force to supply weapons to Iraqi Shiites, they are still complicit, Mr. Bush said.
“What’s worse?” Mr. Bush asked. “That the government knew, or that the government didn’t know?”

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What the hell kind of question is that? know or not know? You would think that after the disastrous Iraq Bush would've learnt by now how stupid that questioning is?

Is the threat imminent? Is it a slam dunk ordeal? Have you exhausted all diplomatic means? Ok, so when are we invading?

 

[CurrentAffairs]

You would think that after the disastrous Iraq Bush would've learnt by now how stupid that questioning is?

One would think that you would have learnt by now that calling other people stupid doesn't make you seem very learnt.

:roll:

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

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What the hell kind of question is that? know or not know? You would think that after the disastrous Iraq Bush would've learnt by now how stupid that questioning is?

Is the threat imminent? Is it a slam dunk ordeal? Have you exhausted all diplomatic means? Ok, so when are we invading?

The question makes perfect sense, what's worse that the Iranian government knows that the weapons that it is producing is being given to terrorists or that their government is so fuc/ked up that their weapons are able to fall into the hands of terrorists without them knowing about it especially given the fact that they are intending to build nuclear weapons.

 

[G-Man]

The question makes perfect sense, what's worse that the Iranian government knows that the weapons that it is producing is being given to terrorists or that their government is so fuc/ked up that their weapons are able to fall into the hands of terrorists without them knowing about it especially given the fact that they are intending to build nuclear weapons.

And your description of the current administrations ability to sell arms would be.....

"Iran gets military gear in Pentagon surplus sale"

Iran gets military gear in Pentagon sale - Military Affairs - MSNBC.com

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

And your description of the current administrations ability to sell arms would be.....

"Iran gets military gear in Pentagon surplus sale"

Iran gets military gear in Pentagon sale - Military Affairs - MSNBC.com

Spare parts for the long obsolete F-14? Wow. :roll:

 

[Stace]

One would think that you would have learnt by now that calling other people stupid doesn't make you seem very learnt.

:roll:

Moderator's Warning:

Not at all appropriate...but you know that.

 

[RightOfCenter]

I think he's learned enough that another invasion would be a very bad idea without Iran giving us a concrete reason too. Did we invade China or Russia when they supplied North Korea or Vietnam?

 

[Gibberish]

Wasn't Bush also certain that the GOP would keep majority?

I'll find a link...

 

[RightOfCenter]

Wasn't Bush also certain that the GOP would keep majority?

I'll find a link...

lol, I guess you could pretty much sum it up in "Bush says a lot of things :roll: "

 

[G-Man]

Spare parts for the long obsolete F-14? Wow. :roll:

If you have no problem with us selling arms to Iran why do you have a problem with Iran supplying arms to anyone else?

Going from your response it would therfore be ok for Iran to sell obsolete F-14's to anyone it chooses

 

[CurrentAffairs]

Moderator's Warning:

Not at all appropriate...but you know that.

True, but sometimes when doors are wide open, one can't help but walk through. And it felt right to make a point.

 

[FierceEnigma12z]

What? It is worse in their Government doesn't know about it.But since I'm pretty sure they do realize what they're doing, they could become a threat.
And why do you people still use the argument that Bush would be ridiculous and stupd for going straight to war with Iran?

He's planning on doing that? Really he outright said that would happen.We're not looking to start another World War.The thing is that if they are helping our enimies they COULD BE a potentioal threat.You know, in the FUTURE.

Not too hard to understand.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

If you have no problem with us selling arms to Iran why do you have a problem with Iran supplying arms to anyone else?

Going from your response it would therfore be ok for Iran to sell obsolete F-14's to anyone it chooses

Let 'em ****ing go for it, let's put one of those old bastards against the super hornet infact put 10 on 1 I got money on the 1.

 

[G-Man]

Let 'em ****ing go for it, let's put one of those old bastards against the super hornet infact put 10 on 1 I got money on the 1.

So for the record you have no problem with this administration selling military equipment to Iran......or indeed anyone who chooses to bid on these surplus auctions.

 

[TheHarshTruth]

I wonder if Bush, in the sense of fair play, thinks about all the weapons we've supplied to almost every country in the world.

 

[jfuh]

Let 'em ****ing go for it, let's put one of those old bastards against the super hornet infact put 10 on 1 I got money on the 1.

I'll pay odds of one million to one if they don't have any military equipment from us that our super hornet would win. Care to take that bet?

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

So for the record you have no problem with this administration selling military equipment to Iran......or indeed anyone who chooses to bid on these surplus auctions.

A) We didn't sell it directly to Iran we were tricked.

B) It's not that big a deal, the F14 is long obsolete it's like selling them parts to a Sherman tank.

 

[G-Man]

A) We didn't sell it directly to Iran we were tricked.

B) It's not that big a deal, the F14 is long obsolete it's like selling them parts to a Sherman tank.

A) Its incredibly unlikely Iran (if they are indeed supplying weapons) sold them direct to the fighters so whats your point? Are you saying govts have no responsibility to check where their weapons end up?

B) IED's are no big deal from the point of view that you cannot WIN a war with the use of these weapons....its gonna need a lot more than that to defeat the US military....so again I'll ask if its correct that you have no problem with the US selling weapons to Iran?

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

A) Its incredibly unlikely Iran (if they are indeed supplying weapons) sold them direct to the fighters so whats your point?

Wrong wrong wrong wrong, wrong wrong wrong wrong.

Their serial numbers show that they were made in 2006 proving that they didn't have time to go through the black market.

Iranian Weapons Arm Iraqi Militias

WASHINGTON, Nov. 30, 2006 — U.S. officials say they have found smoking-gun evidence of Iranian support for terrorists in Iraq: brand-new weapons fresh from Iranian factories. According to a senior defense official, coalition forces have recently seized Iranian-made weapons and munitions that bear manufacturing dates in 2006.

This suggests, say the sources, that the material is going directly from Iranian factories to Shia militias, rather than taking a roundabout path through the black market. "There is no way this could be done without (Iranian) government approval," says a senior official.

ABC News: EXCLUSIVE: Iranian Weapons Arm Iraqi Militia

And furthermore; we have captured members of the Quds division of the elite revolutionary guard, one of which was a director of operations.

Are you saying govts have no responsibility to check where their weapons end up?

Yes they do and obviously we did since you're reading about it.

B) IED's are no big deal from the point of view that you cannot WIN a war with the use of these weapons....its gonna need a lot more than that to defeat the US military....so again I'll ask if its correct that you have no problem with the US selling weapons to Iran?

You're comparing apples and oranges, IEDs only have one application and that is to commit acts of terrorism and we can shoot the F14 out of the sky before it carries out any attacks, the same can not be said for an IED. IED's are not obsolete, the F14 is.

 

[G-Man]

Wrong wrong wrong wrong, wrong wrong wrong wrong.

Their serial numbers show that they were made in 2006 proving that they didn't have time to go through the black market.

If these insurgents didn't walk from Baghdad into Iran, collect their weapons and then march back in Iraq how do you know where the stuff came from (if indeed its even true). Seems incredibly likely a middle man would be used so why do you complain about Iran when you clearly have no problem with the US selling arms to anybody it chooses, even those who supply terrorists? Where's your outrage at the US admin for allowing weapons to bo sold with no checks in place as to where they end up?

And furthermore; we have captured members of the Quds division of the elite revolutionary guard, one of which was a director of operations.

Presumably this is one of the Iranians who was later released after the Iraqis advised he was in Iraq with their full knowledge and co-operation.....:roll:

Yes they do and obviously we did since you're reading about it.

I'm surprised they bothered reporting on the subject, clearly persons like you do not believe it newsworthy that the US admin. allows surplus weapons to be sold in faceless auctions to the highest bidder with no check in place - even after weapons previously sold via this route had ended up in Iran.

You're comparing apples and oranges, IEDs only have one application and that is to commit acts of terrorism and we can shoot the F14 out of the sky before it carries out any attacks, the same can not be said for an IED. IED's are not obsolete, the F14 is.

Again I'll ask if its correct that you have no problem with the US selling weapons to Iran?

 

[FierceEnigma12z]

I wonder if Bush, in the sense of fair play, thinks about all the weapons we've supplied to almost every country in the world.

Which would obviously excuse the fact Iran is giving aid to the insurgents we fight. :roll:

 

[Dogger807]

They have WMD ..they have WMD !!!!!! they have.... um wait.......oh shoot ......... I seem to be behind the times here.......... just a second please...


Ahmmmm.... They are supplying weapons to our enemies!!!!! They are supplying weapons to our enemies!!!! They are supplying weapons to our enemies!!!!! :sword:


Fool me once, shame on you.....

 

[TheHarshTruth]

Which would obviously excuse the fact Iran is giving aid to the insurgents we fight. :roll:

Righto. Glad you agree. It's getting tiring to see us supply weapons to everybody around the world, on both sides of every conflict, and then scream like little sissies if somebody else does the same. oke