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Bump Stocks Are Not Machine Guns, Sixth Circuit Rules

swing_voter said:
If a bump stock has a rof of 9 rounds a second, I'm pretty sure there are people who can get close to that just with their finger. That old guy on youtube, Gerry something or other. He's a pro rapid target shooter.
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But how long can they keep that up ?
 
swing_voter said:
If a bump stock has a rof of 9 rounds a second, I'm pretty sure there are people who can get close to that just with their finger. That old guy on youtube, Gerry something or other. He's a pro rapid target shooter.
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A trained shooter can get off about 6 shots a second - roughly twice what an untrained shooter can fire.
 
noonereal said:
No it is not. It is a win for deplorables.
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There wouldn't be bump-stocks if machineguns weren't banned, so let's just re-legalize machineguns and you won't have to worry about bump-stocks anymore :D
 
Rich2018 said:
I think the number of people there was finite

He didn't have the right gun to inflict massive casualties

Still he probably fired more shots than he would have done so without the bump stocks.
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You understand what the word "essentially" means as I used it? Of course not.

"More shots" hit the ground are not much of a threat to anyone. Had he used a scoped rifle chambered in a heavier round instead of just spraying into the crowd, he probably could have killed 100+ people from that vantage point.
 
Chillfolks said:
But planes are not banned
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Ironically, the LV shooter had a pilot's license and might have even had his own plane. Imagine how many people he could have killed by crashing one into the crowd.
 
BlueTex said:
From my reading of the opinion, it appears to hinge almost exclusively on the statute that defines a machine gun as a weapon firing multiple rounds with a single pull of the trigger.
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yeah hinges on the definition of the word imagine that.

If you want to make it illegal to pull a trigger really fast, I don't think someone committed to killing as many people as they possibly can is it going to worry about breaking that law so it would really serve no purpose.
The court is saying that the ATF can not interpret bump stocks as meeting this definition and instead the statute would have to change via legislation. Seems simple enough for congress to address... Given the current makeup of congress, proponents should be very cautious giving reasons for congress pass new gun legislation... ;)
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right the language you would need to use here and Congress doesn't know this because they're incompetent. Banning pulling the trigger really fast.

It would be a stupid law because it wouldn't do anything. Committing murder is already illegal and all 50 states. It doesn't matter if you pull the trigger fast you pull the chair slow you do it with something other than a firearm it's all illegal already you don't need to make more laws about it.
 
CLAX1911 said:
yeah hinges on the definition of the word imagine that.

If you want to make it illegal to pull a trigger really fast, I don't think someone committed to killing as many people as they possibly can is it going to worry about breaking that law so it would really serve no purpose.
right the language you would need to use here and Congress doesn't know this because they're incompetent. Banning pulling the trigger really fast.

It would be a stupid law because it wouldn't do anything. Committing murder is already illegal and all 50 states. It doesn't matter if you pull the trigger fast you pull the chair slow you do it with something other than a firearm it's all illegal already you don't need to make more laws about it.
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LMAO... I can think of multiple ways to ban bump stocks AND “assault weapons” in language that will gain widespread support.. Get ready for congress to chime in..
 
BlueTex said:
LMAO... I can think of multiple ways to ban bump stocks AND “assault weapons” in language that will gain widespread support.. Get ready for congress to chime in..
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All the bump stock is, is a device that makes it easy to pull the trigger real fast.

Yeah you can just ban it outright. But all you're doing is banning an object that makes you pull the trigger real fast you can always replace it with some other object.

People don't seem to know what assault weapon is. It's a category based on cosmetic features and this is as far as We know at this point. It's not an AR-15 it's not an AK-47.

The reason why this legislation never moves forward when it does it's really rather useless is because the people that write it don't know what they're talking about.

I remember reading some of the laws California made about guns and and gun manufacturers within minutes of the laws passing would have already created compliant firearms and the California legislature called compliance a workaround.

In order to understand this better you have to listen.
 
swing_voter said:
A fully automatic weapon shoots about 14 rounds per second. Using a bump stock with a semi automatic AR-15 gave the Las Vegas shooter the ability to fire about 9 shots per second, according to analysis of footage by the New York Times.

Bump stocks are slower by a pretty big margin.
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By my thinking, rounds per second is useless information when assessing weapon capabilities. You are referring to cyclical rate of fire above, and 800-900 rounds per minute is about right for, say, an M16A1. Guess what. You can't really fire 800 rounds in a minute out of an M16A1. You wouldn't be able to change magazines 27 times in a minute and leave any time to fire the 800 rounds. Even if you could, the rifle would probably malfunction before it got 800 rounds downrange that quickly.

The specs for an M16A1 also refer to a sustained rate of fire. This is the rate of fire that can reasonably be expected under combat conditions without degrading the function of the weapon, allowing for reloading, cooling, etc. The specs say 12-15 rpm in the case of the M16A1, I believe.
 
Tlrmln said:
"More shots" hit the ground are not much of a threat to anyone.
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really?

all the bullets left in the environment is a serious threat to our future.

I simply do not understand why gun nuts are not required to pick up bullets.
 
noonereal said:
really?

all the bullets left in the environment is a serious threat to our future.

I simply do not understand why gun nuts are not required to pick up bullets.
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Many ranges do pick up their bullets.

Glad I could put your mind at ease.
 
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Lead ammunition, however, is still widely used for hunting and shooting, and is now likely the greatest, largely unregulated source of lead that is knowingly discharged into the environment in the USA"

FYI for the Neanderthals among us, led in the environment is not a good idea.
 
Tlrmln said:
You understand what the word "essentially" means as I used it? Of course not.
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Then please, go ahead an explain yourself

"More shots" hit the ground are not much of a threat to anyone. Had he used a scoped rifle chambered in a heavier round instead of just spraying into the crowd, he probably could have killed 100+ people from that vantage point.
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Ricochets - a not inconsiderable threat

And so what ?

Had he used something like an M-240 / FN-MAG on a scope with a few extra barrels and say 20-30,000 rounds, the carnage and death toll would be off the scale.
 
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