Breastfeeding in Public

[celticwar17]

We're on the same page. Some people feel the same way about public breast feeding and depending on the situation might ask the woman to alter their behavior.




I won't argue, but it's not the type of thing you can change with nagging or with a single law. It will take generations for these things to become normalized.

And they would have a right to do that, BUT NOT a right to put up legislation against mothers who breastfeed in public... but I do not follow their opinion and think it's a opinion of someone who hasn't really grown up or has not found the wisdom to be comfortable with the human body in appropriate situations.

 

[Carjosse]

Because your argument was that we're talking about the rights of citizens.

Bearing arms is a right.

And you were saying that people who are exercising their rights shouldn't "be inconvenienced in a public place to satisfy the whims of another person".

So by your own logic, if I want to exercise my legal right to carry a firearm in a public place your whims shouldn't really be a factor in whether or not I'm able to do so.

So apparently you're not really willing to put your money where your mouth is.

If you think a certain right is acceptable, then we should all just have to accept a public display of that right.

But if you think a certain right is unacceptable then you feel you should get your way in that respect too.

The difference between carrying a gun in public and breastfeeding is that carrying a gun is potentially a public safety issue with the potential to harm others while breastfeeding has no literally no chance of affecting another person.

 

[keymanjim]

Breast feeding in public? PUH-LEASE! That's minor compared to some of the walking train-wrecks we see wandering around.
Like the fat girl in the pants three sizes too small for her. Sure, we give it a clever name like "muffin top". But, what it is is an explosion of flesh and cellulite oozing from the top of her impossibly strong pants.
And, let's not forget the skinny middle aged guy in the cutoff jeans. Where his Gold's Gym tank top barely qualifies as a shirt. And his tattoos show just how bad-assed he is. Yet, his spindly arms tell a different story. You know the one. The guy who would take a swing at you after his second beer. But his hand would probably shatter into a million pieces if he were to connect.

So, a woman whipping out her tit in public to feed her child is not that big a deal. As long as she puts it away when she's done.

 

[Joe Steel]

This isn't some horrible breech of civil rights, this is a mother nursing.

All rights take from some to give to others. Maybe that's not horrible in your opinion but others would disagree.

 

[Joe Steel]

Ah, yes, the Burqa argument.

Men define parts on women as "private" that they do not define for themselves and then enforce the double standard.

Are you saying men should cover their breasts?

 

[soot]

.....and today's award for most puerile slippery slope fallacy goes to.........

Oh, look, another argument along the lines of, "Well, behavior "X" is acceptable to me so it should be acceptable to everyone, but behavior "Y" is unacceptable to me so everyone should just understand that".

Well done.

I don't know what kind of award is given for that kind of retarded logic, and the day is still young, but consider yourself in the running.

 

[Joe Steel]

Nothing teaches a business like going there and spending your money. That'll show 'em.

Are you saying the offended persons should just stay away?

 

[soot]

The difference between carrying a gun in public and breastfeeding is that carrying a gun is potentially a public safety issue with the potential to harm others while breastfeeding has no literally no chance of affecting another person.

Carry a gun in public is potentially a public safety boon with the potential to protect others from great bodily harm and even the risk of death while breastfeeding in public serves no legitimate public interest.

 

[Joe Steel]

Because your argument was that we're talking about the rights of citizens.

Bearing arms is a right.

And you were saying that people who are exercising their rights shouldn't "be inconvenienced in a public place to satisfy the whims of another person".

So by your own logic, if I want to exercise my legal right to carry a firearm in a public place your whims shouldn't really be a factor in whether or not I'm able to do so.

So apparently you're not really willing to put your money where your mouth is.

If you think a certain right is acceptable, then we should all just have to accept a public display of that right.

But if you think a certain right is unacceptable then you feel you should get your way in that respect too.

Guns deny me my rights. They're an infringement on my Ninth Amendment right to safety.

 

[Ikari]

All rights take from some to give to others. Maybe that's not horrible in your opinion but others would disagree.

What right was taken? All you have some some imagine right to not be inconvenienced. What right is being infringed upon by nursing mothers?

 

[gdgyva]

No. This is about the rights of the other citizens. Why should they be inconvenienced in a public place to satisfy the whims of another person?

why?

because a child's needs outweigh your wants

period.

 

[keymanjim]

Guns deny me my rights. They're an infringement on my Ninth Amendment right to safety.

Yet, they protect your First Amendment right to speak your mind.
Well, that was until the progressives started with their "hate crimes" laws.

 

[Joe Steel]

Forcing to look away? Whos being forced to look away? Sure, it may be rude to stare, but I don't think it is against the law.

In western culture, human female breasts are sex objects. When they are exposed and viewed, they can cause a rising tide of physical urges which are natural and quite powerful. Forcing someone to endure the suppression of the urges seems unfair.

 

[soot]

Guns deny me my rights. They're an infringement on my Ninth Amendment right to safety.

Preventing my from carrying a gun in public infringes on my 9th amendment right to safety.

So, yet, again, you've demonstrated how only the only thing that really matters to you is getting what you want, and the hell with everyone else.

(Pssssstttt... put the shovel down.)

 

[polgara]

And now for the old man view of this:

1. Yes, babies have to feed, but that does not mean that babies have to feed in restaurants while other patrons are enjoying a meal they are often paying dearly for. In addition, babies don't feed non-stop, so this woman was quite capable of having someone else pick up her takeout meal while feeding the baby at home or waiting until after the baby's feeding to go pick up her order. But I'm sure that would inconvenience her, so that's a no go. Alternately, order your takeout meals from a place that delivers.

2. Babies and small children in restaurants other than fast food joints where most patrons are in and out in minutes is inconsiderate in my view. Just because you have a "right" doesn't mean that it's appropriate or considerate to exercise it at all times in all locations. The me/now mentality of some in modern society is why you have so much "rage" out in public. One of the "sacrifices" of starting a family is that you give up some of the adult things you used to enjoy until such time as your children can fully participate and enjoy those experiences.

3. I come from an era where people didn't display their bodily functions in public for all to see and "enjoy". I've had the good fortune of sitting in a restaurant and hearing a patron horking away into a napkin for minutes on end rather than excuse themselves to the bathroom to take care of whatever it was. Likewise, enjoying a meal and having someone close by sneezing and coughing as if they were about to expire from some tropical infection, with no consideration for anyone else in the restaurant. For me, if I'm sick or not 100%, I don't inflict my problems on others - I stay home.

4. For me, it has nothing to do with sex or body parts or whatever else prudish someone wants to attribute it to. It has to do with consideration for others you're sharing the planet with and attempting, as best you can, to be respectful of others before you think of your own comfort and convenience. On that note, I never would have intervened with the woman if she's started breastfeeding in a restaurant while waiting to pick up a takeout order. It's not worth my time to get upset and confrontational about the actions of others in that way.

Greetings, CJ. :2wave:

:agree: Your post was well thought out with valid points made! :thumbs: Every mother knows her baby's feeding schedule - I went through that learning period myself - so not being prepared for a hungry baby wanting to be fed is not justified. What happens if they're on a tour at a museum or at a parade? This "me-first" thinking is causing other people problems which will have to be to corrected at their own expense, the cost being passed on to everyone else. Wait till airlines and other businesses have to raise their rates to cover the cost caused by a very tiny segment of society. And if they aren't kept spotlessly clean, wait for the bitching and complaining about that. Personally I'd be leery about the personal hygiene of the ones who used the room before me, and would probably not use them, but to each his own. :shrug: I didn't leave my house without a bottle of milk to feed the baby that I had prepared at home for such a possibility.

 

[Joe Steel]

What right was taken? All you have some some imagine right to not be inconvenienced. What right is being infringed upon by nursing mothers?

Human female breasts are sex objects. Forcing someone to view them without reacting in a sexual way, at a minimum, is an inconvenience.

 

[Joe Steel]

why?

because a child's needs outweigh your wants

period.

The child's needs can be satisfied in other ways, by bottle feeding or by private breastfeeding. Public breastfeeding satisfies the mother's needs.

 

[Joe Steel]

Preventing my from carrying a gun in public infringes on my 9th amendment right to safety.

So, yet, again, you've demonstrated how only the only thing that really matters to you is getting what you want, and the hell with everyone else.

(Pssssstttt... put the shovel down.)

I promise I won't hit you with it too hard.

 

[Carjosse]

In western culture, human female breasts are sex objects. When they are exposed and viewed, they can cause a rising tide of physical urges which are natural and quite powerful. Forcing someone to endure the suppression of the urges seems unfair.

It is actually mostly a North American thing. Should women wear burkas in public too? You are using the same logic Muslim extremists use to justify forcing women to wear a burka, you have a pretty disgusting view of women.

 

[nota bene]

Greetings, CJ. :2wave:

:agree: Your post was well thought out with valid points made! :thumbs: Every mother knows her baby's feeding schedule - I went through that learning period myself - so not being prepared for a hungry baby wanting to be fed is not justified. What happens if they're on a tour at a museum or at a parade? This "me-first" thinking is causing other people problems which will have to be to corrected at their own expense, the cost being passed on to everyone else. Wait till airlines and other businesses have to raise their rates to cover the cost caused by a very tiny segment of society. And if they aren't kept spotlessly clean, wait for the bitching and complaining about that. Personally I'd be leery about the personal hygiene of the ones who used the room before me, and would probably not use them, but to each his own. :shrug: I didn't leave my house without a bottle of milk to feed the baby that I had prepared at home for such a possibility.

I know. You learn very, very quickly not to be caught short. There is no reason a shawl or little blanket can't be tucked into a diaper bag should the need arise to discreetly breastfeed. But how about feeding the baby before going to the restaurant? :roll:

 

[gdgyva]

The child's needs can be satisfied in other ways, by bottle feeding or by private breastfeeding. Public breastfeeding satisfies the mother's needs.

really

you ever tried to eat with a blanket covering your head

gets a tad warm.....and a LOT of babies dont take to it well

next time you go out try it.....put a blanket over your head and see how comfortable you are.....

 

[celticwar17]

In western culture, human female breasts are sex objects. When they are exposed and viewed, they can cause a rising tide of physical urges which are natural and quite powerful. Forcing someone to endure the suppression of the urges seems unfair.

Womans faces are sex objects...too

 

[Ikari]

In western culture, human female breasts are sex objects. When they are exposed and viewed, they can cause a rising tide of physical urges which are natural and quite powerful. Forcing someone to endure the suppression of the urges seems unfair.

yes, i suppose that as part of an aggregate society, you'll have to learn to control yourself. This argument you've constructed is a recasting of the ol' argument that women who dress sexily deserve or promote their own rape.

 

[Ikari]

Human female breasts are sex objects. Forcing someone to view them without reacting in a sexual way, at a minimum, is an inconvenience.

Yeah, and they shouldn't wear mini-skirts either, right?

Though it's funny that I asked you what rights are being infringed upon and the best you can give me is an inconvenience. Babies need to eat, babies are human and as such have the right to life. So less you have an actual right on the level of right to life that's being infringed upon, then all you have is inconvenience and there is no right to not be inconvenienced.

 

[Joe Steel]

It is actually mostly a North American thing. Should women wear burkas in public too? You are using the same logic Muslim extremists use to justify forcing women to wear a burka, you have a pretty disgusting view of women.

I don't think so. A lot of capitalists are making a lot of money exploiting human female breasts: 'Breastaurants' Experiencing A Mini-Boom. Certainly, a "mini-boom" must demand more than a single customer.