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BREAKING: We Have The Votes

Napoleon said:
Feinstein kept it confidential until it was leaked to the press. That wasn’t her doing as confirmed by the publication who received it. So I. Would seem that none of this would have come up at all if Rep. Eshoo hadn’t leaked it.
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Lol ! Wow, what a coincidence !
 
PirateMk1 said:
Its been held against us for sometime. Hence the ferocity now. By destroying what they have built, forces them to rebuild it. They build it, we knock it down, until the impasse is resolved. The easier it is for the destruction of political programs the less likely it is to build them as survival is not assured. I am allied with the Republicans because the Democrats are a greater threat to me. Personally I would love to see both parties destroy themselves in an orgy of destruction. Hopefully they use a match I provide to burn themselves to ash. I have my fill of both types conceited greedy twats.
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Exactly. President Trump voters were never about Democrats or Republicans. President Trump was always about established politicians. That's why the proudly deplorables have not changed their minds.
 
jimbo said:
Disagreeing is your right. One question? Did yesterday's hearing change your mind? Or have you always thought Kavanaugh was not fit for the job?

The ABA new position is interesting, but not particularly important at this late stage. A week ago the position was:

The comments are striking because the organization gave Kavanaugh its highest rating of unanimous, "well-qualified" for the Supreme Court. Kavanaugh himself touted that rating at Thursday's emotionally-charged hearing where he denied Ford's sworn testimony that he attempted to rape her when they were teenagers.

"Unaminous, well qualified."

I saw nothing yesterday that would change their mind, nor mine.

Kavanaugh is not a good speaker. That I learned.

Neither is Ford. That I knew.

However, nothing new came up.
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Thanks for asking.

I thought he was evasive and at times less that truthful during the nomination process, and I have issues with some of his positions (including those he seems to deny). But I'm firstly an American who believes in the Constitution, the rule of law, and proper procedure. It is with this last, that I have a problem.

So even though I may have some issues with Kavanaugh, I can accept him (and others!) if I respect the process. Just as I can accept a SC decision where I may otherwise disagree. I respect the SC authority, and I welcome it. Unfortunately, I cannot respect the process of the Judicial Committee without an FBI investigation. I say this without animus. I believe the Committee is abrogating its proper duty for political expediency, and I don't respect it. The old saying "Respect is earned", is very true, and it is true here for me.

I must also add, though: Kavanaugh's bombastic behaviour yesterday, has added a new wrinkle to this. I no longer believe he has judicial temperament, and his refusal to accept an investigation leads me to now additionally question his truthfulness in the matter.

For reference, here's the ABA article. Their concerns are the same as mine (Process - FBI Investigation):

(ABA) Letter to Judicial Committee
 
Interesting that the vote is delayed while Grassley meets with Flake and others over "serious" discussion over having an FBI check. (according to Kelly O'Donnel on CNN)
 
Chomsky said:
Thanks for asking.

I thought he was evasive and at times less that truthful during the nomination process, and I have issues with some of his positions (including those he seems to deny). But I'm firstly an American who believes in the Constitution, the rule of law, and proper procedure. It is with this last, that I have a problem.

So even though I may have some issues with Kavanaugh, I can accept him (and others!) if I respect the process. Just as I can accept a SC decision where I may otherwise disagree. I respect the SC authority, and I welcome it. Unfortunately, I cannot respect the process of the Judicial Committee without an FBI investigation. I say this without animus. I believe the Committee is abrogating its proper duty for political expediency, and I don't respect it. The old saying "Respect is earned", is very true, and it is true here for me.

I must also add, though: Kavanaugh's bombastic behaviour yesterday, has added a new wrinkle to this. I no longer believe he has judicial temperament, and his refusal to accept an investigation leads me to now additionally question his truthfulness in the matter.

For reference, here's the ABA article. Their concerns are the same as mine (Process - FBI Investigation):

(ABA) Letter to Judicial Committee
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We seem to agree far more than I disagree. Including this post.

The problem I have is this. There was an investigation. And a hearing. And as far as I can determine, there is nothing to investigate that was not known well before the original investigation and hearing. Why not before instead of after? The answer is obvious.

Now we have three, or is it 9? New allegations. Should we investigate these new allegations as well? And if so, when is time up?

I don't like the Constitution being brought to its knees after the fact with a serial list of new unconfirmed issues.
 
zimmer said:
The ****hole Party has brainwashed their followers quite badly.

They defend rapists, people who kill women, they have an entire media apparatus which has been proven corrupt for decades... my how they cling bitterly to the lies they have been fed.
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You perfectly described your own party. Good job!
 
zimmer said:
Devious, Dirty, Despicable, Disgusting... Democrats... hopefully this has consequences at the ballot box.
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LOL. That's not what numerous studies published in peer reviewed journals say. The research says that would be a lot of Trump voters:

Research Finds That Racism, Sexism, and Status Fears Drove Trump Voters

Morons.
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Nope, Trump don't love us. He loves his base:

Donald Trump declares 'I love the poorly educated'

They're the ones who look up intellectually to someone who, by all inside WH accounts, has the emotional and intellectual capacity of a 10 year old. Ugh.
 
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Manc Skipper said:
What happens to an SC appointee when the ABA pulls his licence? Asking for a friend.
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The ABA has nothing to do with legal licensing in the United States, the constitution also does not require a sitting Supreme Court Judge to be a lawyer, since lawyers were not actually required to have licenses prior to the late 1800s
 
Fenton said:
People are smart enough..
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No, they have proven that they are really not. The people have proven that they are crude, vulgar, and stupid.

Fenton said:
I'll clue you in, or try.
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No, first one has to start from a place where partisanship doesn't form his base of opinion in order to clue even himself in. Then, perhaps one can start with trying to clue anybody else in.
 
The ABA needs to listen to Joe Biden

 
Fenton said:
The ABA, just parroted Democratic talking points. They also failed to mention the fact that Feinstien sat on these allegations for weeks without calling for a investigation. They have about the same amount of credibility as the Democratic party, which is none.

Democrats had the notes and and access to Dr Ford, and chose to exploit her and her allegations for Political gain

It's not Kavanugh's reputation that will be forever tarnished by this disgusting Left wing charade, its the Democrats party's.
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Not to mention that everyone with a brain knows that the ABA is as liberal as the ACLU, and just as partisan.

I don't believe Ford, too many lies already exposed her and as far as I'm concerned she impeached herself.


Tim-
 
cabse5 said:
And another partisan hack on DP...you.
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How does it make one a partisan hack when one opposes having a sexual predator and believer of CTs on the Supreme Court? Maybe it's you who is the partisan hack.
 
jimbo said:
Republicans allowed time. About 10 days ago.

Why didn't the Democrats take advantage when time was theirs for the asking?

Kavanaugh is a good candidate. Trouble for the Dems, he isn't their candidate. There will be no their candidate until and unless the D's figure out how to win an election. Nov is the next election. You've got 40 days to figure how to win that one, or Trump nominates Ginsburg's replacement. Whining won't win it.

BTW, no witness testified yesterday. It was a hearing.
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Cavenaugh is a sexual predator. Seems you're okay with that.
 
Middleground said:
Cavenaugh is a sexual predator. Seems you're okay with that.
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Show me the conviction, or even the court date or the date of filing of the charge. Otherwise what you've got is a liberal activist who suddenly remembers this one time at a party at some time, in a house somewhere in Md, where there was 3 or 4 or 5 or maybe more in attendance. Not one shred of corroborating evidence, not one named witness who remembers anything. Not even her best friend.

In short, you got nuthin'
 
Perotista said:
Very true, all the way. But Reid set the precedence for its use. If Reid thought that the Republicans wouldn't expand on it, escalate it up the ladder, he was either very foolish or thought the Democrats would hold the senate and the white house from here to eternity.

Escalation, its like in war, politics is war in a sense. You have two fighters, fist fighters, then one gets a knife to escalate the fight. The other opts for a revolver to counter the first's escalation. Then the first gets a machine gun to counter the revolver which is followed by the other getting a howitzer and so on and so on. The MAD principle at work. As long as there isn't any first use and abide by MAD, no nuclear option, there is no escalation.

Reid's precedence, his first use sent this into escalation. He loaded that bomb, then dropped it and now the Republicans are retaliating for Reid's first use letting the nuclear option out of the bag of political tactics and ploys.

Mark my word, it won't be much longer when the filibuster or 60 vote cloture rule doesn't apply to legislation either. All it takes is a first use of something new, then others follow and escalates.
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So do you believe McConnell owns any responsibility or not? Or are you saying that Reid owns every change that happened after the 2013 change? Including any changes to the 60 vote requirement for legislation that may happen in the future?
 
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