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Breaking: Israel launches 'preemptive strike' against Iran, declares state of emergency

Tell me, Does your dumb "Jew hater" accusation include Bernie Sanders??



WASHINGTON (WCAX) - Vermont Senators Bernie Sanders and Peter Welch have joined other lawmakers in urging President Trump to avoid going to war against Iran.

It comes as Israel appeared to be expanding its air campaign on Tehran five days after its surprise attack on Iran’s military and nuclear program.

Sanders introduced legislation to prohibit using federal funds for military force against Iran, and to bar specific Congressional authorization. The bill includes an exemption for self-defense.


"The world is more dangerous and unstable as a result of the extremist Netanyahu’s government ongoing defiance of international law," Sanders wrote. "First, he uses the starvation of children in Gaza as a tool of war, a barbaric violation of the Geneva Conventions. Now, his illegal unilateral attack on Iran risks a full-blown regional war."

Sanders added the strikes "directly contravened" U.S. interests in resolving long-standing tensions over Iran’s nuclear program

What does Not Hating Iran have to do with Hating Jews?


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Everything points that 'something' big might happen. They say the yanks are coming, they are coming! Let's hope they don't bomb fellow Americans-as the GOP wants.
 
EW was a contributing factor
 
Again.... Laughable opinion is noted.

Nearly every attack by Hamas has been on Israeli civilians. Israeli civilians who are predominantly what religion?

What was the ethnic and religious make up of Nazi Germany?
 
... the widely covered death of Shireen Abu Akleh. I also was not referring to the Israeli media covering these incidents up, but the IDF. I know there are media outlets in Israel which are critical of the government.


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El you know me as well as anyone on this board. I support Yair Lapid of Yesh Atid, Benny Gantz of National Unity and Yair Golan in regards to trying to pursue a peaceful two state solution which would require withdrawing specific Israeli settlers from the West Bank.

I could get into complex explanations about the practical obstacles being caused by specific right wing politicsl parties in Israel Netanyahu does not dare lose from his coalition that do not favour a two state solution. I could also explain to you in great deal the Palestinian two state moderates forced out of the West Bank to the West or be killed by Fatah Hawks. Right now yes both extreme right wing Israeli political parties and the rulers of the West Bank Palestinians supported by their terror wings want no two state solution and I am not about to tell you otherwise.

I would also argue you know for a peace to come about extremists on both sides whether they be terrorists or not are going to resist and defy based on their extremism which is embedded with the fear and anxiety of past IDF actions and Palestinian terror actions. So I respectfully debate you on this but you and I both know the obstacles and at this point I am as doubtful as you are but do not lose hope.

That all said, I can now respond to your specific example of a journalist who was killed.

For those who do not know on 11 May 2022, Palestinian-American Al Jazeera correspondent Shireen Abu Akleh was shot and killed while covering a raid by the Israel Defense Forces at the Jenin refugee camp. Yes she was shot in the head.

Here is why I now acknowledge your reference to it. At first the IDF said she killed by a Palestinian gunman then took back their comment.

What we both know is she was a seasoned war journalist of more than 20 years. She was openly bias against Israel but she was always respected by the IDF for her cool under fire. This is not someone who did stupid things like shouting at soldiers, throwing rocks. This was a professional.

This summarizes the strong argument claiming she was shot by the IDF deliberately:


Why I acknowledge your reference can also be found based on this:


This is a specific case where the IDF admitted what it did but waited a year to apologize. Had it been upfront and candid I might be able to say to you it was an accident. However for me waiting that long is not something I could defend. Next we are left asking why did she get shot. If there was no visible commotion around her why was she shot?

Given all that you raised it and it is a legitimate example of your distrust which I must openly acknowledge and have no defence to.

In each specific example if I am given them, I might be able to explain some as accidental, some as avoidable, etc., but each one is fact specific and the one you raised most certainly in my opinion was handled poorly by the IDF.

It most certainly lends to the appearance the IDF is sloppy or careless or does not care about journalists they feel are pro Palestinian and anti Israeli.

The IDF must at all times engage in open disclosure. It must delay some reports due to on-going security issues that could be compromised but all such shootings must be fully disclosed or the IDF loses any moral ground it has.

Hamas and Hezbollah know how to play the press. The IDF tends to be stubborn and not give a damn about the press.

I hope that honestly responds to you.
 
What needs to be rebutted?

There were friendly fire deaths.

How is this a "false flag"?

The Hannibal Directive is NOT friendly fire. It involves deliberately targeting Israelis to prevent them from being captured.
 
The internet in Iran is either very slow, or has pretty much stopped working.

I have a friend who still lives in Holland and has family in Iran, and he's keeping me up to date right now
 
Three hours ago, the VP posted to X, addressing the anti-Trump rumor mill, and some of the confusion others might have over Iran and Israel.

 
I have to admit I seriously overestimated Iranian capabilities.

For a few years now I've thought Iran was a limited but ultimately competent fighting force who knew how to exploit their advantages while minimizing their weaknesses, all with a keen awareness of both.

But it seems like Iran really had just crumbled in the face of the Israeli attack. Israeli 4th gens running rampant above Tehran is insane.
 
I have to admit I seriously overestimated Iranian capabilities.

For a few years now I've thought Iran was a limited but ultimately competent fighting force who knew how to exploit their advantages while minimizing their weaknesses, all with a keen awareness of both.

But it seems like Iran really had just crumbled in the face of the Israeli attack. Israeli 4th gens running rampant above Tehran is insane.
SAddams army crumbled too
Is there something intrinsic to the middle east /arab/Muslim culture that inhibits modern military competence?
 
I have to admit I seriously overestimated Iranian capabilities.

For a few years now I've thought Iran was a limited but ultimately competent fighting force who knew how to exploit their advantages while minimizing their weaknesses, all with a keen awareness of both.

But it seems like Iran really had just crumbled in the face of the Israeli attack. Israeli 4th gens running rampant above Tehran is insane.

Israel said they'd be unable to continue the bombing of Gaza within the first few months without America's constant resupply of munitions. Iran is almost 4x the size of Iraq with ~1 million active combatants.

That's not stanning for Iran, but lets be clear without America's constant support, Israel would get wrecked seven ways from Sunday.

It's like a kid saying, "I can beat anyone in this school", then immediately running behind his father.
 
SAddams army crumbled too
Is there something intrinsic to the middle east /arab/Muslim culture that inhibits modern military competence?

Well, Iranians aren't Arab, they're Persians, and both they and the Turks have plenty of history of military competency. Even the Jordanians at one point weren't half bad and today are still a league above the likes of the Saudis.

Iran's problem for most of the past decades were the uneven state of their equipment and their Byzantine command structure, but it appears in recent years they've degraded in readiness as well.
 
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