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Breaking: Israel launches 'preemptive strike' against Iran, declares state of emergency

My Orwellian double speak dictionary defines "unhinged bullshit" as an admission that the previous statement was spot on.

Meanwhile in TelAviv the Iranians are making great progress in their plan to turn TelAviv into a Parking Lot
You should probably stop posting here. You've been as "spot on" as Hitler.
 
Jews were living there as well... and it was not Palestine, it was a UN Mandated Territory with no government.

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Yes Jews were living there - they were the MIZRAHIS - the ONLY JEWS who are semites - they lived peacefully side by side with the Palestinians - NEVER a problem .4

The League of Nations and the ALlies designated the UK as the country which would guide the newly independent country to full statehood,

Former Israeli PM Golda Meir admitted that she was a Palestinian and carried their passport from 1921 until 1948.


 
There's a lot of new posts since I was here last, so I probably won't be able to read them. I just want to say that the escalations in the last 24 hours and the deaths of civilians make me very concerned about where this is heading for everyone.
There's a reason so many Presidents have tried to avoid direct war with Iran at all costs. Too many think Iran is this tiny widdle country in a vacuum.
 
There's a lot of new posts since I was here last, so I probably won't be able to read them. I just want to say that the escalations in the last 24 hours and the deaths of civilians make me very concerned about where this is heading for everyone.

I was naively hoping that Israel was content to just attack Iran's nuclear program, but it seems like the intent all along was regime change. If it wasn't, that's certainly how Iran sees it now. I predict that Iran will eventually lose this war - badly. But it might not lose before causing major economic disruption, and once the regime is gone, Iran is going to turn into a shit-show.

That's going to have consequences far beyond Iran. Remember how millions of refugees streamed out of Iraq, Syria, North Africa, and Afghanistan and headed toward Europe and elsewhere?
 
You should probably stop posting here. You've been as "spot on" as Hitler.
EVERY JEWISH RELIGIOUS SECT BELIEVES THAT ISRAEL SHOOULD BE DISMANTLED

Naturei Karte, Hassidic, Mizrahi


 
I was naively hoping that Israel was content to just attack Iran's nuclear program, but it seems like the intent all along was regime change. If it wasn't, that's certainly how Iran sees it now. I predict that Iran will eventually lose this war - badly. But it might not lose before causing major economic disruption, and once the regime is gone, Iran is going to turn into a shit-show.

That's going to have consequences far beyond Iran. Remember how millions of refugees streamed out of Iraq, Syria, North Africa, and Afghanistan and headed toward Europe and elsewhere?
Israel also risks creating a new generation of Iranians that absolutely hate them, or changing the minds of those who are currently leaning towards pro-western ideals. Beyond occupation, when in history has bombing a country brought about lasting/successful regime change, especially in less than say 5 years?
 
Israel also risks creating a new generation of Iranians that absolutely hate them, or changing the minds of those who are currently leaning towards pro-western ideals. Beyond occupation, when in history has bombing a country brought about lasting/successful regime change, especially in less than say 5 years?

Bigger danger IMO is Iran becoming a hideout for terrorists. Iran will have lots of military hardware left over to play with and the security situation would likely break down. Also very possible that a fair number of Iranians would cross over into Iraq and destabilize things there. We'd have two countries with some of the largest proven reserves destabilized.

ISIS 2.0
 
Who needs principles or diplomacy when there's nukes to mantain a phoney global order, with a small risk of dooming the entire species.

If you want people to not seek to have nuclear weapons you have to respect them when they don't have them.

It's a rough idea because we as a species have no inborn ability to respect people when there is a power asymmetry, it's something you have to work at.
 
Shahran Oil Depot has been hit by Israel.



Considering how OPEC nations have kind of gone each their own way when it comes to production, I have no idea what this does to oil prices. I have a feeling that many assumptions we've made over the course of decades (closed Hormuz and taking out Iran's oil supply = global price shocks) may not necessarily be as dire as we've long assumed. That is not to say that there won't be many adverse consequences economically or otherwise, but there's just a lot of wait and see here.
 
I was naively hoping that Israel was content to just attack Iran's nuclear program, but it seems like the intent all along was regime change. If it wasn't, that's certainly how Iran sees it now. I predict that Iran will eventually lose this war - badly. But it might not lose before causing major economic disruption, and once the regime is gone, Iran is going to turn into a shit-show.

That's going to have consequences far beyond Iran. Remember how millions of refugees streamed out of Iraq, Syria, North Africa, and Afghanistan and headed toward Europe and elsewhere?

I think you're a bit ahead of yourself. Israel is lobbing missiles from thousands of miles away which isn't likely to "win" any time soon.
 
The one with the impotent military defending it.

Yeah, and frankly, incompetent leadership. I mean, when the US started calling its personnel out of the region, that should have been a massive red flag that shit was about to go down, and yet they were not quartered 500 feet below ground...why again?
 
Considering how OPEC nations have kind of gone each their own way when it comes to production, I have no idea what this does to oil prices. I have a feeling that many assumptions we've made over the course of decades (closed Hormuz and taking out Iran's oil supply = global price shocks) may not necessarily be as dire as we've long assumed. That is not to say that there won't be many adverse consequences economically or otherwise, but there's just a lot of wait and see here.

About 1/3 or the worlds oil supply goes through the gulf of Hormuz. I'm not very optimistic on world economic shock if it is shut down.
 
Bigger danger IMO is Iran becoming a hideout for terrorists. Iran will have lots of military hardware left over to play with and the security situation would likely break down. Also very possible that a fair number of Iranians would cross over into Iraq and destabilize things there. We'd have two countries with some of the largest proven reserves destabilized.

ISIS 2.0
Absolutely, and if not Russia, there's also NK, China & Pakistan to supply Iran through Afghanistan.
 
I think you're a bit ahead of yourself. Israel is lobbing missiles from thousands of miles away which isn't likely to "win" any time soon.

The Iranian regime is up against the ropes. That is not to say that this win won't come at a tremendous price to Israel, which it well could.
 
If you want people to not seek to have nuclear weapons you have to respect them when they don't have them.

It's a rough idea because we as a species have no inborn ability to respect people when there is a power asymmetry, it's something you have to work at.
EXACTLY

The day after Lybia 's Muammar Gaddafi' got rid of his nuclear weapons Obama had a bayonet up his ass.
 
Yo Lucy

splain the reason Obama gave $5,000,000,000.00 to Ukraine

To help the transition from Russian style economics to western.

Splain the reason that beginning in October 2013 I can see Victoria Nuland distributing food and candies at Kiev's independence Square ?

Getting to know the people.

Also splaln the reason I can hear Victoria Nuland and Geoffrey Pyatt's cinversation about deposing Yakunovych in a telephone that was tapped

About deposing him?

Transcript?

Which leads me to the conclusion that you are actually Lindsey Graham.

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Considering how OPEC nations have kind of gone each their own way when it comes to production, I have no idea what this does to oil prices. I have a feeling that many assumptions we've made over the course of decades (closed Hormuz and taking out Iran's oil supply = global price shocks) may not necessarily be as dire as we've long assumed. That is not to say that there won't be many adverse consequences economically or otherwise, but there's just a lot of wait and see here.
From 2003 - 2008, the start of the 2nd Iraq war, the price of oil almost quadrupled. AND, even more interestingly, it plummeted after Iran signed the nuclear deal during the Obama administration. Oil instability in the late 70s and early 80s also brought about stagflation and historically high interest rates.

What's the saying? History may not repeat, but it rhymes

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About 1/3 or the worlds oil supply goes through the gulf of Hormuz. I'm not very optimistic on world economic shock if it is shut down.

Of oil that's loaded onto ships and sent to points all over the globe, but of total supply, maybe 15-20%, which I concede is not insignificant, but Hormuz would be shuttered only temporarily and there's a glut of oil at this point.
 
So, that would be advice to Tehran? Refuse to give up your nuclear ambitions.?
Does that make sense to Iran? And that would be an incentive to intensify more attacks on Iran.
It's kind of chicken and egg. The best way for Iran to stop Israel's unprovoked (aka"preventive") attacks is to carry a big nuclear stick.
 
Absolutely, and if not Russia, there's also NK, China & Pakistan to supply Iran through Afghanistan.

I don't think Russia's in a position to help Iran right now. In fact I think that's a major reason why Netanyahu decided to act now (beyond saving his own ass from the courts, that is).
 
Oil instability in the late 70s and early 80s also brought about stagflation and historically high interest rates.
It also brought us terrible American cars and the rise of the Japanese auto industry.
 
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