regardless we agree that those things are "valuable" they have "value" which was how I understood that post as well
Their value to us is what they can do for us. Saving an endangered tiger makes us feel good. Saving a coral reef better ensures our future as a species which relies on a specific ecosystem. You notice we're not rushing to save the e. coli. Right? We assign "value" to
what something can do for us, or something or someone we, personally, love.
That isn't inherent value. What "value" are any of these things to insects, for example?
we'll all continue to live is all the bald eagles die and if all the cattle die and if all the coral reef's die? humans would still live
Again: we feel good if we can keep bald eagles alive because we think "eagle are pretty and magestic, we CAN'T let them die out, especially since we feel guilty for edging them out/changing their required environment." It's not because eagles are somehow inherently valuable, or even directly valuable to us except for how looking at one makes us feel. I mean eagles aren't curing cancer, right?
You notice, as I said, that we're not rushing to save viruses or certain bacteria. Why? Don't you think their biology dictates that they are very, very "valuable" indeed, at least as far as continuing their species?
Keeping the coral reefs alive is critical to oceans remaining the ecosystem that
serves us as a species.
None of this is "inherent" value of some kind. It is...what serves us. What makes us feel good. What we believe will keep us safe. What we personally like or love.
If human beings are inherently valuable, then why can a husband think his wife is absolutely amazing on their wedding day, but five years later he complains that "You just sit around all day while I work, you're useless!"
Did her "inherent value" change? How? Why?
How about a man and his child...on the day the child is born the father is 100% certain that not only is that child valuable, but they are everything. Just everything. 19 years later, that child is stealing from the home and doing drugs and hit his mother for refusing him the car keys. All of a sudden the father decides his child is useless, a waste of space, and harmful. His value in the father's eyes has changed. So how was that value "inherent"? It can change.
but if I want something and put high value on it
Correct. IF you want something.
And if you don't?
and you don't want that very same thing and put no value on it
Seems like it. That's why "value" is so subjective and personal, and individual.
But if, once again, you could explain what "value" you're talking about, then I could answer your question about fetuses and abortion. I mean I "value" my amazing computer but it's not because my computer is inherently valuable in some indefinable way. It just
serves my needs the best.
which of us gets to have our way ?
Neither you nor I, if we're talking about some other woman out there. She (should) get to have her way. In many states, she does.
)...so your point is...again...wrong.
If it's born, it's a baby. Where did 'different' baby come from? Inside a woman, it's a fetus. You can call it a baby, people call their dogs, cats, cars, boats, spouses "baby." If you want to debate, you'll have to be accurate and clear.
Why should someone else be entitled to do that? Please explain?
