Bragg Sues Jim Jordan in Move to Block Interference in Trump Case

[BlueTex]

Well you've read it. What is he so afraid of?

He isn't afraid of anything, especially Jordan...

 

[Rawley]

He isn't afraid of anything, especially Jordan...

So he didn't ask fr a TRO?

 

[AZRWinger]

Because it serves no legislative purpose not an area of legitimate Congressional oversight.

We just witnessed the spectacle of the KGB style show trial targeting a former President conducted by the January 6th select committee. Unless you consider political persecution to preclude an opponent from running for the Presidency a legitimate purpose it had no legitimate or legislative purpose. But, it's Bad Orange man so it's different.

Remember when Democrats claimed Trump ought to be impeached for requesting an investigation of Biden’s business dealings in the Ukraine? Biden hadn't announced his candidacy but an investigation was deemed election interference, an impeachment worthy offense. Now a local DA after promising to target Trump conjures up a shakey indictment of a leading Presidential candidate based on a bizarre legal theory but Congress doesn't have the authority to investigate the Federal election interference? Nonsense.

 

[Michael Cole]

We just witnessed the spectacle of the KGB style show trial targeting a former President conducted by the January 6th select committee. Unless you consider political persecution to preclude an opponent from running for the Presidency a legitimate purpose it had no legitimate or legislative purpose. But, it's Bad Orange man so it's different.

Remember when Democrats claimed Trump ought to be impeached for requesting an investigation of Biden’s business dealings in the Ukraine? Biden hadn't announced his candidacy but an investigation was deemed election interference, an impeachment worthy offense. Now a local DA after promising to target Trump conjures up a shakey indictment of a leading Presidential candidate based on a bizarre legal theory but Congress doesn't have the authority to investigate the Federal election interference? Nonsense.

That's pretty whacked. Not a lick of truth that I can find.

Sounds like the lies Trump tells.

 

[Callen]

We just witnessed the spectacle of the KGB style show trial targeting a former President conducted by the January 6th select committee. Unless you consider political persecution to preclude an opponent from running for the Presidency a legitimate purpose it had no legitimate or legislative purpose. But, it's Bad Orange man so it's different.

I disagree in fact it had a significant legislative purpose. In fact one bill reforming the Electoral Count Act has already passed. There are several other bills proposed but McCarthy will never bring them to the floor so they will have to wait until next session to pass.

Remember when Democrats claimed Trump ought to be impeached for requesting an investigation of Biden’s business dealings in the Ukraine?

I remember it very well. Coercing anotger country to find dirt on your political opponent is impeachable in mind.

Now a local DA after promising to target Trump conjures up a shakey indictment of a leading Presidential candidate based on a bizarre legal theory but Congress doesn't have the authority to investigate the Federal election interference? Nonsense.

Bragg never promises to target Trump. Somebody lied to you. What Federal election interference is Congress investigating?

 

[Cope]

So, Federal Election law violations are being used as a means to make what would be a misdemeanor, a felony. Presuming that's inappropriate, what federal laws should Congress pass to redress that "abuse?"

Mr. Bragg alleges that Mr Trump falsified the true nature of the hush money payments because those payments were made in support of a crime, failure to disclose the payments violates federal campaign finance law. According to the indictment, "The defendant orchestrated a scheme with others to influence the 2016 presidential election by identifying and purchasing negative information about him to suppress its publication and benefit the defendant's electoral prospects," the indictment's Statement of Facts asserts. "In order to execute the unlawful scheme, the participants violated election laws and made and caused false entries in the business records of various entities in New York."

The defendant orchestrated a scheme with others to influence the 2016 presidential election by identifying and purchasing negative information about him to suppress its publication and benefit the defendant's electoral prospects,

They better get ready to lock every single politician up!
I can't wait!

 

[CaughtInThe]

the Senate should form a committee and start sending subpoenas to tiny d from Florida's county DAs just to screw with Republicans.

but they need to make it something they have no business (or legal standing) getting involved in.

 

[Perotista]

Do you believe the House is trying to interfere in Bragg's prosecution?

That may be. But there’s a much larger picture in the power, subpoena power of congress that could, might be, at stake. A lot of times the bigger picture gets lost in the enthusiasm for what ever is happening in one’s own backyard, today.

I would imagine depending on which side of the aisle on is sitting on, congress is interfering, or congress is conducting a justified investigation. What interest me is how this lawsuit will turnout. My interest is in the larger picture, not this one, single case. The Constitution gives congress the power to investigate. As part of that investigative power is subpoena power. If Bragg wins, there is the possibility that the subpoena power or enforcement of it could be diluted in the future. I don’t know this, it is just a possibility.

 

[ClaraD]

So Bragg has nothing to worry about. Curious then that he went to the significant trouble of this 50 page Federal complaint over the subpoena to Pomorantz

yes, because what Jordan is doing is a violation of law and the Constitution.

 

[ClaraD]

That may be. But there’s a much larger picture in the power, subpoena power of congress that could, might be, at stake. A lot of times the bigger picture gets lost in the enthusiasm for what ever is happening in one’s own backyard, today.

I would imagine depending on which side of the aisle on is sitting on, congress is interfering, or congress is conducting a justified investigation. What interest me is how this lawsuit will turnout. My interest is in the larger picture, not this one, single case. The Constitution gives congress the power to investigate. As part of that investigative power is subpoena power. If Bragg wins, there is the possibility that the subpoena power or enforcement of it could be diluted in the future. I don’t know this, it is just a possibility.

they only have power to subpoena in matters that are in their jurisdiction and not overstepping their authority. This oversteps their auhority.

 

[Perotista]

By your argument, Gym Jordan should have honored the Congressional subpoena ordering him to appear before the J6 Committee. But of course, he refused. Now, when the shoe is on the other foot, everyone must comply with his subpoena.

I agree. Normal partisan politics. Either all or nobody. If Jordon refused and got away with refusing, then Bragg can do the same. But I think all of this weakens the subpoena power of congress, which could be weaken to a point where one could just ignore congressional subpoenas. The courts will decide.

 

[ClaraD]

It's the same case. That Pomerantz chose not to pursue it is irrelevant.

Actually, it isn't that Pomerantz chose not to pursue it. He resigned because he believed that Trump should be charged. He felt like Bragg was dragging his feet on the charges and he resigned.

 

[MTAtech]

I agree. Normal partisan politics. Either all or nobody. If Jordon refused and got away with refusing, then Bragg can do the same. But I think all of this weakens the subpoena power of congress, which could be weaken to a point where one could just ignore congressional subpoenas. The courts will decide.

I agree. Congressional subpoenas should be honored unless there are strict legal reasons for not doing so.

 

[Cardinal]

That may be. But there’s a much larger picture in the power, subpoena power of congress that could, might be, at stake. A lot of times the bigger picture gets lost in the enthusiasm for what ever is happening in one’s own backyard, today.

I would imagine depending on which side of the aisle on is sitting on, congress is interfering, or congress is conducting a justified investigation. What interest me is how this lawsuit will turnout. My interest is in the larger picture, not this one, single case. The Constitution gives congress the power to investigate. As part of that investigative power is subpoena power. If Bragg wins, there is the possibility that the subpoena power or enforcement of it could be diluted in the future. I don’t know this, it is just a possibility.

The thing is that judges are allowed to use their common sense. So if it looks like Congress is interfering to stop a legitimate investigation, they're allowed to factor that into their thinking. Judges aren't robots.

 

[Rawley]

yes, because what Jordan is doing is a violation of law and the Constitution.

What Bragg is doing is a violation of the law and the Constitution. Which is why Jordan has to investigate.

 

[Michael Cole]

Actually, it isn't that Pomerantz chose not to pursue it. He resigned because he believed that Trump should be charged. He felt like Bragg was dragging his feet on the charges and he resigned.

Yes, I read that. That makes it even more pathetic.

Jordan: Why did you resign?
Pomerantz: Because Bragg wouldn't prosecute.

Where does Jordan go from there? Calling Pomerantz would seem to conflict with the lies Jordan is trying to tell.

 

[element94]

Interesting how the left now likes the idea of fighting congressional subpoenas. It wasn't too long ago they were disgusted by it

In my opinion, Jim Jordan is a roaming free criminal that should be facing criminal charges but here we are with him a position of semi-power. Our original system of government has outlived it's effectiveness when anti-American and anti-democratic fascists like Jordan are given any power. The original system assumed too many things about its officials, such as honor and lawfulness, and those days are over in the con party. Only the abjectly criminal, anti-American, and fascist-loving cons could break the checks and balances feature of the U.S. government while praising murderers like Putin and others.

 

[ClaraD]

Yes, I read that. That makes it even more pathetic.

Jordan: Why did you resign?
Pomerantz: Because Bragg wouldn't prosecute.

Where does Jordan go from there? Calling Pomerantz would seem to conflict with the lies Jordan is trying to tell.

not to mention he really cannot answer anything beyond that...it isn't that he doesn't know the answers...it is that they are protected by law and him giving the answers would mean he would be charged with a felony.

 

[ClaraD]

What Bragg is doing is a violation of the law and the Constitution. Which is why Jordan has to investigate.

How is a Grand Jury indicting Trump a Constitutional violation?

 

[Michael Cole]

not to mention he really cannot answer anything beyond that...it isn't that he doesn't know the answers...it is that they are protected by law and him giving the answers would mean he would be charged with a felony.

I'm not seeing the logic behind it. Not that logic is necessary when dealing with Trumplicans, but if Jordan is looking to show Bragg erroneously picked up a dropped case, calling Pomerantz doesn't get him there. It does just the opposite.

Jordan has to know this, so I'm going with chaos. Chaos is the point.

 

[element94]

How is a Grand Jury indicting Trump a Constitutional violation?

It isn't but it goes against the fascist creed.

 

[Chomsky]

Boasting about having court experience with TrumpCo =/= "elect me and Trump's going down"

Bragg has never claimed he would prosecute Trump if elected that I've seen. It's a RW lie.

Perhaps he didn't speak exactly & specifically, but the allusion seems to be there.

 

[element94]

I'm not seeing the logic behind it. Not that logic is necessary when dealing with Trumplicans, but if Jordan is looking to show Bragg erroneously picked up a dropped case, calling Pomerantz doesn't get him there. It does just the opposite.

Jordan has to know this, so I'm going with chaos. Chaos is the point.

It's hard to believe but they are actually hoping to tip society into anarchy. They are doing this because they have chosen fascism because it's their only way to keep power since they suck so bad at policy and actual governing, and they know they cannot win another legitimate election.
The party system has to be done in the U.S. after this.

 

[BlueTex]

What Bragg is doing is a violation of the law and the Constitution. Which is why Jordan has to investigate.

Bullshit

 

[Rawley]

How is a Grand Jury indicting Trump a Constitutional violation?

How was fall from the turnip truck?