Bradly Manning Not Guilty Of Aiding Enemy

[Artevelde]

They never get shot down by cameras. It's a fact. Look it up.

And you have access to a complete overview of the whole area and can therefore determine much better than them that there were no weapons? Even though they clearly say they see weapons?

 

[Juanita]

Yes, obviously helicopters never get shot down and in a combat zone the enemy always patiently waits for you to verify everything.

They were whizzing behind buildings pretty good..... Face it they fvcked up royally.....and a bunch of people died, including the Reuters journalists..

 

[Artevelde]

They were whizzing behind buildings pretty good..... Face it they fvcked up royally.....and a bunch of people died, including the Reuters journalists..

Fac it, you are second guessing battlefield decisions on life and death from the comfort of your home, while relying only on what the Wikileaks-crowd tells you happened, not on the basis of any real knowledge.

 

[Juanita]

So you heard that they saw weapons. And you have access to all the unedited footage and have seen the whole surroundings?

Only the surroundings where the men were standing and talking before they were shot down....

 

[Artevelde]

Only the surroundings where the men were standing and talking before they were shot down....

So basically you have no idea about what the circumstances were.

 

[Geoist]

And you have access to a complete overview of the whole area and can therefore determine much better than them that there were no weapons? Even though they clearly say they see weapons?

The Apache camera was directed specifically on the two journalists as they stated, "yup they have weapons."

 

[Artevelde]

The Apache camera was directed specifically on the two journalists as they stated, "yup they have weapons."

Clearly you haven't watched everything. And clearly, by your own admission, you know nothing about the exact circumstances except what the Wikileaks-crowd and other editors told you.

 

[Juanita]

Fac it, you are second guessing battlefield decisions on life and death from the comfort of your home, while relying only on what the Wikileaks-crowd tells you happened, not on the basis of any real knowledge.

So are you...You were not there, or were you? This video was also obtained by Reuters from the government and shown on TV as well....Did you even watch the video? Did you hear those kids? They were high on killing--looking for any excuse--they even gunned down the van of people who were trying to get the dead bodies and these guys had their hands occupied with said dead bodies with no weapons in sight and they injured two children...so keep making excuses for them...

 

[Artevelde]

So are you...You were not there, or were you? This video was also obtained by Reuters from the government and shown on TV as well....Did you even watch the video? Did you hear those kids? They were high on killing--looking for any excuse--they even gunned down the van of people who were trying to get the dead bodies and these guys had their hands occupied with said dead bodies with no weapons in sight and they injured two children...so keep making excuses for them...

What you write is pretty pathetic. It is clear from the video audio that they saw weapons. They repeat that. Only after that do they engage. And as far as calling these soldiers "kids" goes, that comment says a lot about you and nothing about them.

 

[Juanita]

What you write is pretty pathetic. It is clear from the video audio that they saw weapons. They repeat that. Only after that do they engage. And as far as calling these soldiers "kids" goes, that comment says a lot about you and nothing about them.

It is clear that they THOUGHT that they saw weapons----they saw the sun flash off of the cameras...... they were kids for sure--sounded like they were playing a video game..... This video was important enough for that Manning to jeapardize his whole future........

 

[Artevelde]

It is clear that they THOUGHT that they saw weapons----they saw the sun flash off of the cameras...... they were kids for sure--sounded like they were playing a video game..... This video was important enough for that Manning to jeapardize his whole future........

So from now on every soldier who is in combat and sees a potential threat should check with you or Bradley Manning first before taking action? Again, your comment saying that these soldiers are "kids" is very telling about your attitude and your total lack of respect for men and women who serve their country in dangerous situations. You don't know who these people are, yet you feel perfectly capable of denigrating them like that. Pretty sad.

 

[Geoist]

Clearly you haven't watched everything. And clearly, by your own admission, you know nothing about the exact circumstances except what the Wikileaks-crowd and other editors told you.

Do you deny the Apache was focused on the journalists at 3:15 of the video? Do you deny that they thought they were carrying guns when in fact they carried cameras?

 

[Artevelde]

Do you deny the Apache was focused on the journalists at 3:15 of the video? Do you deny that they thought they were carrying guns when in fact they carried cameras?

Do you deny that the pilots who were there and saw the whole scene clearly indicated that they saw weapons?

 

[Geoist]

So from now on every soldier who is in combat and sees a potential threat

Anyone on the streets of Baghdad can be a 'potential threat.' So we kill off the entire population? Those men were expressing absolutely no suspicious behavior. The only thing 'suspicous' or 'potentially threatening' they did was carry their cameras and walk down the street.

 

[Geoist]

Do you deny that the pilots who were there and saw the whole scene clearly indicated that they saw weapons?

As Juanita already pointed out, they THOUGHT they saw weapons. But as was revealed, what they thought were weapons were actually cameras.

 

[Artevelde]

As Juanita already pointed out, they THOUGHT they saw weapons. But as was revealed, what they thought were weapons were actually cameras.

Who revealed this? Were you there? Did you survey the whole scene?

 

[Artevelde]

Anyone on the streets of Baghdad can be a 'potential threat.' So we kill off the entire population? Those men were expressing absolutely no suspicious behavior. The only thing 'suspicous' or 'potentially threatening' they did was carry their cameras and walk down the street.

I'm glad to hear from you that there were no threats on the street of Baghdad at that time. You may want to check your facts though.

 

[Artevelde]

For the benefit of some of the people who seem to have problem with annoying things like facts:

1) There were two apache helicopters involved in the famous July 12, 2007 video. They were called in for air support when ground forces had come under fire from positions at or near where the incident occured.
2) The larger group of men whom the camera-men were with did include men armed with AK-47s and RPG. This was actually specifically acknowledged by most people who looked at the whole footage, including wikileaks itself.

 

[Geoist]

Who revealed this? Were you there? Did you survey the whole scene?

Once again, watch the video starting at 3:15. They were clearly referring to the journalists. Hence, why they shot at the journalists.

 

[Geoist]

I'm glad to hear from you that there were no threats on the street of Baghdad at that time. You may want to check your facts though.

I never said there weren't other threats. The problem is the soldiers identified the wrong individuals as the threats.

 

[Artevelde]

I never said there weren't other threats. The problem is the soldiers identified the wrong individuals as the threats.

No, the problem was that those journalists were in a group of armed people at the wrong place at the wrong time.

 

[Geoist]

No, the problem was that those journalists were in a group of armed people at the wrong place at the wrong time.

They were specifically identified as 'armed.' 3:15

 

[Artevelde]

They were specifically identified as 'armed.' 3:15

And indeed, they were in a group of men, some of whom were armed. The pilots repeatedly say they see armed men, not just at one point. And indeed all of this occured in the context of an armed incident in which US troops had come under fire.

 

[Geoist]

And indeed, they were in a group of men, some of whom were armed. The pilots repeatedly say they see armed men, not just at one point. And indeed all of this occured in the context of an armed incident in which US troops had come under fire.

I am aware of the other men. I am also aware that those soldier effed up in thinking those cameras were guns.

On a sidenote, I feel little remorse towards the soldiers. They were a part of an invading force upon a sovereign nation. Therefore, blood is on their hands whether they felt their lives were in danger at the time or not.

 

[Artevelde]

I am aware of the other men. I am also aware that those soldier effed up in thinking those cameras were guns.

On a sidenote, I feel little remorse towards the soldiers. They were a part of an invading force upon a sovereign nation. Therefore, blood is on their hands whether they felt their lives were in danger at the time or not.

Where exactly do the soldiers say that they are only firing on the cameramen?

As for the wider issue you talk about, they were part of the legitimate armed forces of a state, fighting against terrorists, together with the government of that sovereign state.

Your bias is too strong for you to recognize facts.