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When the United States government nationalizes all American oil drilling and it has a blowout like this, you can bitch about "the government's Plan A/B." Until then, BP carries the burden of responsibility in drilling with all necessary safety precautions in place and functioning. They failed in that responsibility. They are entirely at fault for this spill.
When the United States government nationalizes all American oil drilling and it has a blowout like this, you can bitch about "the government's Plan A/B." Until then, BP carries the burden of responsibility in drilling with all necessary safety precautions in place and functioning. They failed in that responsibility. They are entirely at fault for this spill.
I do agree with you about the nationalizing part, but I don't agree that it was entirely BP's fault. The government has been lax in administering safety regulations pretty much since Bush, and let big oil companies get away with saving "a few bucks" rather than to err on the side of caution.
When the United States government nationalizes all American oil drilling and it has a blowout like this, you can bitch about "the government's Plan A/B." Until then, BP carries the burden of responsibility in drilling with all necessary safety precautions in place and functioning. They failed in that responsibility. They are entirely at fault for this spill.
The government has a role in national emergencies.
I do agree with you about the nationalizing part, but I don't agree that it was entirely BP's fault. The government has been lax in administering safety regulations pretty much since Bush, and let big oil companies get away with saving "a few bucks" rather than to err on the side of caution.
Glinda,Yes. And it is fulfilling that role. This still does not make the government responsible for the blowout, no matter how much you'd like to lay this at Obama's feet.
Why not cede that the government shares partial responsibility for this? If we authorize safety regulations and pay millions to regulate an industry, we should certainly expect they take some responsibility for getting the job done.Yes. And it is fulfilling that role. This still does not make the government responsible for the blowout, no matter how much you'd like to lay this at Obama's feet.
Yes. And it is fulfilling that role. This still does not make the government responsible for the blowout, no matter how much you'd like to lay this at Obama's feet.
Yes. And it is fulfilling that role. This still does not make the government responsible for the blowout, no matter how much you'd like to lay this at Obama's feet.
Who leased them the area to do this drilling?
In September 2008, reports by the Inspector General of the Interior Department, Earl E. Devaney, were released that implicated over a dozen officials of the MMS of unethical and criminal conduct in the performance of their duties. The investigation found MMS employees had taken drugs and had sex with energy company representatives. MMS staff had also accepted gifts and free holidays amid "a culture of ethical failure", according to the investigation.
The New York Times's summary states the investigation revealed "a dysfunctional organization that has been riddled with conflicts of interest, unprofessional behavior and a free-for-all atmosphere for much of the Bush administration’s watch." --Wiki
Actually I agree with you that its all BP's fault, however, the Government made several key mistakes here under 3 presidents that led to the atmosphere that caused this disaster....
But I wouldn't expect a partisan hack like you to see that....
I do agree with you about the nationalizing part, but I don't agree that it was entirely BP's fault. The government has been lax in administering safety regulations pretty much since Bush, and let big oil companies get away with saving "a few bucks" rather than to err on the side of caution.
The Minerals Management Service, an outrageously corrupt government agency under the Bush/Cheney administration.
The biggest mistake the government made was allowing deep-water drilling in the first place. :doh
This is rich coming from the likes of you, chuckles. :lamo
Still, facts are stubborn things: BP is ultimately responsible for all of this mess. Not only did BP not install an acoustic fail-safe, and not repair the annular gasket that had been damaged four weeks earlier, it also adamantly insisted on circumventing standard procedures to "save time and money." On the day of the explosion there was an argument between the managers of BP and Transocean over whether or not to remove the drilling mud Halliburton placed the concrete plugs. BP won; the mud was removed.
And.... kaboom. BP owns this ****up.
Why not cede that the government shares partial responsibility for this?
If we authorize safety regulations and pay millions to regulate an industry, we should certainly expect they take some responsibility for getting the job done.
I agree. Salazar is making sure the Bush-era MMS free-for-all is a thing of the past. Going forward - at least under Obama's watch - I expect no more such MMS corruption issues to occur.
As the good Rev has already pointed out, there is plenty of blame to go around, it took this incident for the gov't to come down on the corruption:I agree. Salazar is making sure the Bush-era MMS free-for-all is a thing of the past. Going forward - at least under Obama's watch - I expect no more such MMS corruption issues to occur.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...24/AR2010052401974_3.html?sid=ST2010052404233Interviews and documents show numerous examples in which senior officials discounted scientific data and advice -- even from scientists elsewhere in the federal government -- that would have impeded oil and gas companies drilling offshore.
Under the Bush and Obama administrations, red flags raised by scientists at NOAA and the Marine Mammal Commission have gone unheeded. Obama officials say they are taking steps to ensure that science guides drilling decisions They are now!!; former agency officials say such questions are rarely as simple as they seem.
there is plenty of blame to go around,
it took this incident for the gov't to come down on the corruption
As the good Rev has already pointed out, there is plenty of blame to go around, it took this incident for the gov't to come down on the corruption:
But you cannot tell me with a straight face that the Obama administration is even close to the top of that list. Their culpability (I blame Obama entirely for opening up even MORE offshore drilling) is comparably and effectively minuscule. The blame belongs at the feet of those who took shortcuts and ignored safety precautions: BP owns that.
The Katrina track should have been a clue to anyone. Morgan City La. + NOLA to the east of the storm = Run like hell!As a former resident of New Orleans, we ALWAYS had a hurricane plan and we used it many, many times when we evacuated of our own free will !! Nobody ever told us to leave, we just did. There are several routes out of the city, plenty of destinations, PICK ONE !!! If you choose to wait until someone tells you to leave, you're going to sit on the interstate for 14 hours like my brother did with Katrina.
People shouldn't wait for any government to tell them to do anything. Take that on yourself and do what you can to help others. I have a lot more faith in the human race than any government but then, I'm an optimist :2wave:
Stop ignoring the recommendations of scientific experts?What more would you have had him do?
Stop ignoring the recommendations of scientific experts? Comply with laws that require a written explanation for why expert advice was not heeded?
If these barriers will take at least 9 months to construct, Obama is correct to ignore the clearly politically motivated gripings of Jindal at this point in time.
Everyone involved needs to focus on trying to do something now to alleviate fix this disaster now instead of trying to prevent the next disaster.
If those islands built 9 months from now have any affect this disaster, then there is no point in even wasting the money to build them cause everything will already be totally ****ed by that point anyway. All it would do is prevent oil from ****ing up stuff that's already as ****ed up as it can get.
It's all in the Washington Post article I quoted and linked.What recommendations did he ignore? Which scientific experts? What laws?
You're going to have to go into more detail if you want a reasonable response.
One person has stated nine months....
I think he wants to dredge the sand to make makeshift barriers......
Reading his emotion, I don't think he's being political about this but moreso, true concern for his state.
The project would cost $200 million and take four to six months to complete its first phase, adding 43 miles to extend the Chandeleur island chain off the state's eastern coastline in both directions, said Plaquemines Parish President Billy Nungesser, speaking at a press conference with Jindal. However, even a few days of dredging would improve coastal protections, he added.
even a few days of dredging would improve coastal protections, he added.
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