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Boy Scouts president says ban on gay leaders needs to end

That is not atheism.
No, they are simply religions that accept atheism. And if atheism is a religion then that would be a Atheist religion that exists.

We should not use the judeo-Christian definitions when it comes to defining religions. That would be ironic.
 
No, they are simply religions that accept atheism. And if atheism is a religion then that would be a Atheist religion that exists.
Atheism isn't a religion any more than theism, deism, octogenarianism or priaprism is a religion.

We should not use the judeo-Christian definitions when it comes to defining religions.
I am not. Atheism is not a religion. There are religions that are atheist just like there are religions that are theistic. An atheist religion that comes to mind is Anton Levey's church of Satan, also Scientology. I am sure there are a few others but i am not farmiliar with them.
That would be ironic.
That is why i am using Mariam Webster's definition.

Religion | Definition of religion by Merriam-Webster
 
Here's my basic stance.

If one of the main reasons to not have female Scout leaders is a fear of the potential for inappropriate behavior due to nature of the normal male/female sexual dycotomy, then disallowing homosexual leaders makes sense.

However, if that isn't one of the primary reasons...but rather it's because a female hasn't been Boy Scout or recognizing a need for bonding on a gender level... Then it makes no sense to ban homosexuals

Having never been involved with Boy Scouts, I honestly don't know the answers there. Just like I don't know the answer as to why a male may not be able to lead a Girl Scout troop

Having definitely (and occasionally still) been involved with the Boy Scouts both as a kid and as a leader, there's honestly no reason to have it gender segregated at all. There are co-ed Venture crews that operate just as well as single gender scout troops.

Aren't the Boy Scouts basically a Christian religious organization? Why should they have a policy that violates the tenets of that religion? :shrug:

No. The Boy Scouts are not affiliated with any specific religion. Individual troops are often associated with religious organizations (mine was with a synagogue and was a Jewish troop), but that is hardly a necessity.

Disagree all you want, but they don't allow atheists in. So....yeah.

This would be the next thing to change. And it really varies by individual troop. Despite the harsh rules of the national office, many individual troops are not run by bigots and treat everyone with respect.
 
Atheism isn't a religion any more than theism, deism, octogenarianism or priaprism is a religion.

I am not. Atheism is not a religion. There are religions that are atheist just like there are religions that are theistic. An atheist religion that comes to mind is Anton Levey's church of Satan, also Scientology. I am sure there are a few others but i am not farmiliar with them. That is why i am using Mariam Webster's definition.

Religion | Definition of religion by Merriam-Webster

We seem to be in agreement. Was confused when you wrote earlier that: "Atheist religions don't exist." And we, apparently, are both using the Merriam-Webster definition. I would contend that their definition #1 is basically from the judeo-Christian culture in which we all live and should not be used in a legal, public policy context.
 
We seem to be in agreement. Was confused when you wrote earlier that: "Atheist religions don't exist." And we, apparently, are both using the Merriam-Webster definition. I would contend that their definition #1 is basically from the judeo-Christian culture in which we all live and should not be used in a legal, public policy context.
Well it is the definition asunderstood in our language

I am not so sure these atheist religions are religion by definition. Spirituality, cults perhaps.
 
This would be the next thing to change. And it really varies by individual troop. Despite the harsh rules of the national office, many individual troops are not run by bigots and treat everyone with respect.

Honestly, they're a private organization so I have no issue with them excluding atheists. I was just pointing out to a poster that their official stance is to not admit atheists or agnostics.
 
Honestly, they're a private organization so I have no issue with them excluding atheists. I was just pointing out to a poster that their official stance is to not admit atheists or agnostics.

Just because we wouldn't tell them what to do with the force of law doesn't mean we can't or shouldn't tell them that they're doing something wrong and advocate for them to do right.
 
Look, I'm fine with homosexual troop leaders, teachers, whatever. We've entered a time where kids can be and are tracked 24/7/365.

Right....a GPS chip will make sure your kid won't get fondled by some freaky guy while he's taking the kids on a wilderness trip.

To be fair, i wouldn't trust my kid with a straight guy i don't know either. But the odds of something happening go way up when the guy is gay (if that sounds "homophobic" and get's me labelled as such, oh well. I won't lose sleep over it).
 
Good, it's about time.

Boy Scouts president says ban on gay leaders needs to end | Reuters

Boy Scouts of America President Robert Gates said on Thursday the group's ban on adult gay leaders needs to end, taking a step toward dismantling a policy that has caused deep rifts in the 105-year-old organization. Gates said at a national meeting of the group in Atlanta he does not plan to revoke the charters of Boy Scout councils that allow gay leaders, according to a text of the speech, which could significantly weaken enforcement of the ban. "We must deal with the world as it is, not as we might wish it to be. The status quo in our movement’s membership standards cannot be sustained," said Gates, who as U.S. secretary of defense helped end the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy that barred openly gay individuals from serving in the military. He said he was not asking the Boy Scouts' national board to make any policy change at the current meeting. "Dozens of states - from New York to Utah - are passing laws that protect employment rights on the basis of sexual orientation," he said. "Thus, between internal challenges and potential legal conflicts, the Boy Scouts of America finds itself in an unsustainable position."

Those pushing for change, applauded Gates' stand. "We are 180 degrees from where we were a year ago," said Zach Wahls, executive director of Scouts for Equality. "This is a very, very positive development." The Irving, Texas-based organization lifted its ban on gay youth in 2013 but continues to prohibit the participation of openly gay adults. The selection last year of Gates as president of the Boy Scouts was seen as an opportunity to revisit the organization’s policy on gay adults. Gates said he personally would have supported going further toward lifting the Scouts' ban on gays but would not reopen debate during his two-year term. The ban received its first major challenge in April when the first openly gay adult was hired as a summer camp leader by the Greater New York Council of Boy Scouts. In Ohio, an assistant scoutmaster was expelled in March for being openly gay, according to local media reports. "The one thing we cannot do is put our heads in the sand and pretend this challenge will go away or abate. Quite the opposite is happening," Gates also said.

Then it's time to end the boy scouts! It would become a target rich environment for sexually deviant Men!
 
Then it's time to end the boy scouts! It would become a target rich environment for sexually deviant Men!

They end that and it will be interesting to see if there is an impact libertarians' children's participation in overnighters..
 
Last year the boy scouts suffered a 6% loss in their enrollement when they changed the rules to allow openly gay boys to join.
i have a feeling even more losses will be suffered if this would to be put through.

Christian scouting organization grows while Boy Scouts declines

yea if they do impliment this you will see a huge exit of not only boy scouts but cub scouts which feeds the boy scouts.
 
Wow, it seems a couple folks here have a problem with understanding the role of basic animal survival instincts. We have evolved brains that allow us to override those instincts, but that does not negate their existence. And when we're dealing with a fundamental survival issue - sexuality/reproduction, a few more chips are on the survival table, making it harder to override.

Neither Goth nor LARPing qualify as anything other than normal variation of human activity.

No, currently as it is advertised more and more to us in general that homosexuality is normal, it's a bit easier to override that instinct to avoid. But it will never go away.

Homosexuality is seen largely as a normal variant of human activity. Most folks don't see it as deviance. Hence allowing it in the boy scouts.
 
Last year the boy scouts suffered a 6% loss in their enrollement when they changed the rules to allow openly gay boys to join.
i have a feeling even more losses will be suffered if this would to be put through.

Christian scouting organization grows while Boy Scouts declines

yea if they do impliment this you will see a huge exit of not only boy scouts but cub scouts which feeds the boy scouts.

Meh, people that can't tolerate proximity to homosexuals will find their world shrinking from all angles.
 
Meh, people that can't tolerate proximity to homosexuals will find their world shrinking from all angles.

Only because homosexuals can't respect private clubs controlling their own membership. :shrug: Not that I'm opposed to the boy scouts allowing gay leaders in, but just that homosexuals don't really seem to understand why they shouldn't push themselves on others.
 
Just because we wouldn't tell them what to do with the force of law doesn't mean we can't or shouldn't tell them that they're doing something wrong and advocate for them to do right.

Why? If you don't agree with their policy just start your own club and allow everyone in.
 
Only because homosexuals can't respect private clubs controlling their own membership. :shrug:
BSA made the call internally.

Not that I'm opposed to the boy scouts allowing gay leaders in, but just that homosexuals don't really seem to understand why they shouldn't push themselves on others.
You see opinions as pushing themselves on you.
 
BSA made the call internally.

You see opinions as pushing themselves on you.

Social pressure can be pretty forceful in its own right.
 
Why?They changed their policy.They saw the error in their ways.

Do you really believe they saw the errror in their ways? Don't you think it's more likely that they just gave in to all the pressure people like yourself were putting on them?
 
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