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Wow...do you REALLY think that dodge is going to work?
Love sinners...but do not excuse sin. People ALWAYS rush to use Christ to justify their position when it is convenient but ignore the inconvenient parts. Christ absolutely showed love to the prostitute. He showed caring and compassion. He also directed her very clearly...go forth and sin no more. but...well...lets just gloss over that part.
There are no perfect people. We all fall short. Many do NOT believe homosexuality is a sin and GOOD ON THEM. They should live, love and be happy. Many believe in God and follow Christs teachings (though some just use them when it is as mentioned earlier...convenient). The preacher in question believes in the word of God and does not believe homosexuality...a sin...should be allowed. His faith...his practice...his choice. Some very judgmental types (irony there, right?) have quickly pounced on his position because he dares to not agree with them.
Well that explains your hostility.
You do realize that the Baptists are not like the Catholic Church do you?
Good thing you arent judgmental or anything...I didn't gloss anything over. Jesus never would've banned a sinner from a temple, period. The fact is, this preacher is equally as sinful in the eyes of god. There are no gradients of sin. So maybe he has a beer belly, or occaisonally thinks about sex. Both of those are sins and he's equally as sinful. The boyscouts didn't even sin, they just allowed a few people in who did sin (just like EVERY human being on the planet)
Denying people access to your church because you think they're sinners is the exact opposite of christianity. Too many people are making **** up to fuel their hate. This guy is a terrible christian and apparently wouldn't know the bible from his own asshole.
The BSA has made a policy decision that essentially states homosexuality is not wrong that is not a sin.
Good thing you arent judgmental or anything...
Now...about that go forth and sin no more thing...
Good thing that's not what he's doing.Denying people access to your church because you think they're sinners is the exact opposite of christianity.
Good thing that's not what he's doing.
Oh WELL then - GOSH if he were a REAL Christian and understood his faith as well as YOU clearly do, he'd be welcoming chapters of NAMBLA and allowing abortions to proceed on the premises.By letting someone into your church you're not condoning every sin they've ever committed. You're simply giving yourself an opportunity to preach to them.
Oh WELL then - GOSH if he were a REAL Christian and understood his faith as well as YOU clearly do, he'd be welcoming chapters of NAMBLA and allowing abortions to proceed on the premises.
Its not a question of whether someone has sinned. You probably missed the part where I stated that we all fall short. The issue is about those that dont just occasionally sin but rather promote it, embrace it, and have or see no desire to change. And lets be honest, you would be losing it in a completely different thread if tyhat same pastor allowed them to hold scout meetings in the church but attempted them to deny their sinful behavior. But again...you KNOW all of those things. Your position is that it is NOT a sin. Which is FINE...for you.If you can tell me that there is one person on earth who hasn't sinned, I'll capitulate.
Or even better, if you can tell me how not-discriminating is a sin, I'll also capitulate. (I'd like to see the bible verse)
By letting someone into your church you're not condoning every sin they've ever committed. You're simply giving yourself an opportunity to preach to them.
Picking and choosing which sins you think are worse than others is distinctly contradictory with the bible.
Its not a question of whether someone has sinned. You probably missed the part where I stated that we all fall short. The issue is about those that dont just occasionally sin but rather promote it, embrace it, and have or see no desire to change. And lets be honest, you would be losing it in a completely different thread if tyhat same pastor allowed them to hold scout meetings in the church but attempted them to deny their sinful behavior. But again...you KNOW all of those things. Your position is that it is NOT a sin. Which is FINE...for you.
Wow, you do go to great lengths to polish turds I'll give you that.
The Boy Scouts decided to change their policy re allowing homosexuals. Personally...where it involves scouting youth, I have no problem with it. Others see it as a change in policy accepting homosexuality...what they classify as a 'sin'. To those individuals you should no sooner embrace homosexuals in their organization as you would make a known and open adulterer prayer leader and let them hold swing meetings in the chapel annex. That part of the 'Gospel' which you site but ALWAYS forget is still telling. "GO FORTH AND SIN NO MORE". Christ did not say embrace all sinful behavior. He didnt say accept, tolerate, and allow sinful behavior. He modeled love toward the individual with the UNDENIABLE clarity of judgment of the behavior. Go forth...and sin no more. Tell a group of people "come on in...and keep sinnin' like a rock star" is not consistent with that Christian model you attempted to use in your judgment of the pastor. And SINCE you are all about this Christian ideology, you might have some 'splainin to do with regard to your overt judgment of the pastor yourself. Or does that whole nonjudgmental/hypocrite thing only apply to others?The boyscouts haven't promoted sin, embraced it, or had no desire to see it change. If you had been keeping up with the news, they were dragged into tolerance kicking and screaming.
Chances are there are no homosexuals in this pastor's local boy scout group, he just wants to make a political statement. If he were out banning people and organizations that commit any sin, then I would understand. At least he'd be consistent. Instead he's simply picked out homosexuality as a "worse" sin than the others, and has ignored his own sin and the sins of his congregation.
Didn't you JUST get done saying that "there are no gradients of sin. So maybe he has a beer belly, or occaisonally thinks about sex. Both of those are sins and he's equally as sinful."NAMBLA actively rapes boys.
... NAMBLA is no different. They simply let sinners in.The boyscouts simply let sinners in, which isn't a sin.
The Boy Scouts decided to change their policy re allowing homosexuals. Personally...where it involves scouting youth, I have no problem with it. Others see it as a change in policy accepting homosexuality...what they classify as a 'sin'. To those individuals you should no sooner embrace homosexuals in their organization as you would make a known and open adulterer prayer leader and let them hold swing meetings in the chapel annex. That part of the 'Gospel' which you site but ALWAYS forget is still telling. "GO FORTH AND SIN NO MORE". Christ did not say embrace all sinful behavior. He didnt say accept, tolerate, and allow sinful behavior. He modeled love toward the individual with the UNDENIABLE clarity of judgment of the behavior. Go forth...and sin no more. Tell a group of people "come on in...and keep sinnin' like a rock star" is not consistent with that Christian model you attempted to use in your judgment of the pastor. And SINCE you are all about this Christian ideology, you might have some 'splainin to do with regard to your overt judgment of the pastor yourself. Or does that whole nonjudgmental/hypocrite thing only apply to others?
Didn't you JUST get done saying that "there are no gradients of sin. So maybe he has a beer belly, or occaisonally thinks about sex. Both of those are sins and he's equally as sinful."
Any REAL Christian understands that actively raping boys and having a beer belly are equal in the eyes of God, right?
... NAMBLA is no different. They simply let sinners in.
Point of fact is that the people you 'disagree with' dont feel the same way and feel that allowing for homosexual behavior is in fact condoning it. I get that where people dont agree with you that makes them all kinds of wrong in your eyes. Remarkably...they feel the same way about you. So you have that going for you. Ive cited the verse several times...you just dont like it cuz it kinda kills your argument. Christ loved the sinner...but did not condone the sin. SIN NO MORE. Pauls letters were pretty clear and direct as well. SIN NO MORE. That is about as direct as can be. And while you may not claim to discriminate, boy you sure dont have a problem judging people, do you. Especially people who dont agree with you and causes you embrace.1) Allowing homosexuals in your organization is not condoning their behavior. If they want to simultaneously speak out against them, they're free to do so, so your "Sin no more" reference makes no sense. They're not encouraging anybody to continue sinning.
2) You've refused once again to provide a verse reference showing that non-discrimination is a sin. Most likely because it isn't, and you're simply reaching.
3) I'm no longer a christian, but I don't discriminate based on religion or sexual preference. I treat people equally. That doesn't mean I won't look them in the eyes and tell them I disagree with them.
The problem is gays want recognition that they are okay and normal and they want to flaunt themselves.
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. Christ loved the sinner...but did not condone the sin. SIN NO MORE. .
Really? Tell me then why I feel hostile towards the Catholic church. You seem to have me all figured out. This should be asy for you.
And this means what exactly? Last time I checked, both claim to follow the teachings of Christ.
he guy who wouold have never thrown anyone out of his house. A point you have yet to admit or
get past.
Really? He wasnt exactly tolerant of the money changers in the temple was he?He still woudn't have booted their ass.
Really? He wasnt exactly tolerant of the money changers in the temple was he?
Point of fact is that the people you 'disagree with' dont feel the same way and feel that allowing for homosexual behavior is in fact condoning it. I get that where people dont agree with you that makes them all kinds of wrong in your eyes. Remarkably...they feel the same way about you. So you have that going for you. Ive cited the verse several times...you just dont like it cuz it kinda kills your argument. Christ loved the sinner...but did not condone the sin. SIN NO MORE. Pauls letters were pretty clear and direct as well. SIN NO MORE. That is about as direct as can be. And while you may not claim to discriminate, boy you sure dont have a problem judging people, do you. Especially people who dont agree with you and causes you embrace.
First, Jesus did not have a home of his own. .
Many former Catholics have issues be it the parochial schools and how indoctrination was overly focused on sin and not redemption, issues with policies like birth control (you cannot put a rubber on your willie) which have no biblical basis, issues with the church hierarchy, etc..
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