Boy dies after being shot in door-knocking prank gone wrong

[Pyrite]

Boy dies after being shot in door-knocking prank gone wrong

An 11-year-old Houston boy has died after being shot when he allegedly attempted a door-knocking prank on a neighbor's house, police said.

abcnews-go-com.cdn.ampproject.org

Thanks to the bravery and quick action by this good guy with a gun.

"Shot in the back" says a lot, doesn't it....Sure, the guy should face serious charges, but in this day and age of right-wing and 2nd Amendment extreme victimhood it's not a given

 

[btthegreat]

I couldnt tell from the article if he was still on the property or not. Either way, that guy's going to jail. Even in TX, that aint justified.

I have been stunned over and over, thinking Texas would never justify or tolerate stuff. I don't try to predict Texas anymore.

 

[Chomsky]

How true that is.
What these kids are doing is wrong, very wrong. They think it is a dare, a joke. They don't realize that they are very annoying and that their actions obviously can have consequences.
That doesn't give anyone the right to shoot at them, esp not as they are running away.

Many gun rights advocates will probably come to the shooter's defense. I have only read posts up to this.
They will call him a hero and think he was well within his rights.
Was he, really? A life snuffed out!

This one is a hero, he should be recognized as such, apologized to, commended

Am I right in assuming he was not a chest thumping gun fanatic?

Now I will ask myself an important question. Would I have the patience to have that happen to me 18 times? I will try to be very honest with myself.
How about y'all?

No way, would I move-out. I actually had this happen to me & my family. Finally, after 6 or 8 incidents, one day I got a quick jump on the kid and managed to grab him, taking him home to his (pseudo) parents. That put an end to it.

I say "pseudo parents", because it turns-out the kid was maybe 12 or 13, and believe it or not, his parents in the city shipped him out of the city to his relatives that were my neighbors! The sent the kid out by me, because he was getting into too much trouble in the city!

We also figured-out he had broken into one of our cars multiple time to steal the tollway change, (but leaving no damage). I got the kid to fess-up to that, when I told him that if I couldn't find the thief, I had no choice but to "call the cops to 'dust the coin holder' for prints, so we could find-out who to have the cops arrest"! That was enough to get the kid to spill the beans.

I was good with that neighbor, and his kids often hung with mine. My neighbor displayed what appeared to be a sincere expression of taking care of the kid, so I left it at that - a resolution between two neighbors.

Shortly after, my neighbor stopped hosting the troublesome kid. Turns out the trouble-maker was getting my neighbor's own kids in trouble - being a bad influence on them! This was apparent to me, as the day I caught the kid he was in the company of my neighbor's son.

But yeah, after having lived in the city - this was nothing. No biggie. Didn't change a thing between me and my neighbor, and I was always glad to welcome and spend time with my neighbor's kid that was with the ring-and-runner the night I caught them. In fact the neighbor's kid turned-out to become a strong decent young man, and he looks to me as an uncle of sorts, and I accept him in a son-like fashion. Not really a "son", but one of my kids' peers that I treat like mine when I see them.

 

[Noodlegawd]

FAFO


ACCEPTABLE COLLATERAL DAMAGE for the GLORIOUS FREEDOM of our SACROSANCT 2nd AMENDMENT!!!

If you would be so kind, please direct us to the place where they are saying that the 2nd Amendment allows people to shoot children in the back for ding-dong-ditching.

 

[Lursa]

I have been stunned over and over, thinking Texas would never justify or tolerate stuff. I don't try to predict Texas anymore.

Well, if he was carrying a toaster or lawn chair, etc. while he ran away, the shooter might have gotten off...TX is the only state where you can use lethal force to protect property.

 

[CaughtInThe]

Devastating.

 

[Ishm]

Home owner will be just fine. If he is found guilty of a crime, Trump will pardon him, and then he can claim compensation as well. As for the kid, he was already out of the womb, so he doesn't count in Texas, unless of course he is white boy that goes to church on Sundays (or Saturdays)..

 

[phoenix2020]

This is terrible and tragic; the homeowner should face consequences for use of lethal force where it clearly was not appropriate.

If any good can come of this, I hope this tragedy is widely publicized and parents all around the nation use it as a teaching moment with their own kids, helping them to understand that their youth isn't always going to protect them from a gunshot wound if they decide to play stupid games with the an irresponsible or unhinged person.

 

[mrjurrs]

Boy dies after being shot in door-knocking prank gone wrong

An 11-year-old Houston boy has died after being shot when he allegedly attempted a door-knocking prank on a neighbor's house, police said.

abcnews-go-com.cdn.ampproject.org

Thanks to the bravery and quick action by this good guy with a gun.

Another day in Toomanygunsica.

 

[Jessie C]

this is very real sign of the times. I grew up in the 60-70's. NO guns in my home..no need for them.
Today, I wouldn't live anywhere where I didn't have to a firearm.

This is proof that times have changed, and it is what it is.

 

[braindrain]

this is very real sign of the times. I grew up in the 60-70's. NO guns in my home..no need for them.
Today, I wouldn't live anywhere where I didn't have to a firearm.

This is proof that times have changed, and it is what it is.

It’s actually not. Violent crime is much lower then it was in the 70s.

The media just makes it seem like things are worse.

 

[braindrain]

How true that is.
What these kids are doing is wrong, very wrong. They think it is a dare, a joke. They don't realize that they are very annoying and that their actions obviously can have consequences.
That doesn't give anyone the right to shoot at them, esp not as they are running away.

Many gun rights advocates will probably come to the shooter's defense. I have only read posts up to this.
They will call him a hero and think he was well within his rights.
Was he, really? A life snuffed out!

This one is a hero, he should be recognized as such, apologized to, commended

Am I right in assuming he was not a chest thumping gun fanatic?

Now I will ask myself an important question. Would I have the patience to have that happen to me 18 times? I will try to be very honest with myself.
How about y'all?

I think your guess of what many guns rights activists will feel about this are have no basis in reality.

 

[The Brad Dad]

It’s actually not. Violent crime is much lower then it was in the 70s.

The media just makes it seem like things are worse.

Yeah, keep that energy when discussing the national guard invading blue cities

 

[braindrain]

Yeah, keep that energy when discussing the national guard invading blue cities

And I am sure you can find a single post of mine supporting that stupidity right.

Oh wait. We both know you can’t and are just making shit up again. As usual.

 

[BirdinHand]

Around here, people will flip on the sprinkler systems in their yards to “get” the kids playing ding dong ditch

Not shoot them


It’s an annoying thing kids do, this game. They’ve been doing it forever. It is almost a rite of passage.

Is it annoying? Yep.

Should kids probably NOT do it? Yep.

But under NO circumstances is it a reason to shoot a kid running away in the back. Zero.

 

[The Brad Dad]

Around here, people will flip on the sprinkler systems in their yards to “get” the kids playing ding dong ditch

Not shoot them


It’s an annoying thing kids do, this game. They’ve been doing it forever. It is almost a rite of passage.

Is it annoying? Yep.

Should kids probably NOT do it? Yep.

But under NO circumstances is it a reason to shoot a kid running away in the back. Zero.

As I read your post I thought about my own behavior growing up. I'd pull shit, sometimes get away with it, most times not. But it was normal - children learning consequences. This is a deeper rot. The right talks about all these things that destroyed the American family, but the cultures love of and use of guns is right up there. It's part of an overall hatred towards community and other people.

 

[Lovebug]

I think your guess of what many guns rights activists will feel about this are have no basis in reality.

?

 

[BirdinHand]

As I read your post I thought about my own behavior growing up. I'd pull shit, sometimes get away with it, most times not. But it was normal - children learning consequences. This is a deeper rot. The right talks about all these things that destroyed the American family, but the cultures love of and use of guns is right up there. It's part of an overall hatred towards community and other people.

The “get off my lawn” demographic seems to lean towards MAGAism

 

[hecatmoggie]

"Let's be clear: These 'pranks' can have serious consequences and lead to charges such as criminal damage, disorderly conduct, or harassment," the Chandler Police Department said in a message to parents in the community. "Parents -- please take a moment to talk with your children. Know where they are, who they're with, and what they're doing."


no excuses to shooting someone in the back at night but, the above is true

are the parents of the kid shot being charged? why not ?

 

[LouC]

If you would be so kind, please direct us to the place where they are saying that the 2nd Amendment allows people to shoot children in the back for ding-dong-ditching.

What part of "keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" is not understandable.

I never said the "2nd Amendment allows people to shoot children in the back" but it does allow them the tool to do such a thing.

That dumb kid's death is just one more notch on the ACCEPTABLE COLLATERAL DAMAGE dance card of the GLORIOUS FREEDOM of our SACROSANCT 2nd AMENDMENT!!!

 

[LouC]

When things like this happen, this kind of response always interests me.

Okie Dokie.

Gun ownership isn't new or particularly less regulated.

No. I am of the opinion that perhaps gun ownership is poorly regulated.

In fact, more homes in 1960 owned a gun than they do now.

That does not appear to be a real fact backed by evidence.

The question then is what happened?

In regards?

Did things like this always happen and the only reason it's major cause of concern now is because we're all oversocialized via mass media?

Well, it appears that one trend in the mix is that many households moved from having long guns primarily for hunting last century but with a decrease in those numbers and an ever growing trend to having guns in the home geared for self defense as city and urban areas grew and more small town and or rural living waned.

Did these things not happen and in-fact the rise in gun violence is more likely correlated to a loss in social trust and a deterioration of the social fabric, rather than gun ownership itself?

Suicide by gun, the rates have apparently been on a steady increase since the last century, it appears in part due to the greater number of handguns in households allowing that easier method for taking one's life. Correlation to some alleged "loss in social trust" and or a "deterioration of the social fabric" rather than gun ownership, well those are good questions. Could it be an "all of the above" answer?

I tend to agree with conservatives when they say that extensive gun legislation seems more like a lazy, half-baked punishment than an actual coherent policy.

OK.

When have Democrats or alleged Conservatives in Congress written and promoted "an actual coherent policy" that allows 2nd Amendment Freedom yet defeats (decreases) wanton gun violence?

It might work to reduce gun deaths, but would it actually solve the malaise undergirding the issue?

When have Democrats or alleged Conservatives in Congress written and promoted "an actual coherent policy" that allows 2nd Amendment Freedom yet address successfully, "solve", any "malaise undergirding the issue" of wanton gun violence?

 

[JMB1911A1]

Totally 100% agree with this post.

Shooting at a fleeing, unarmed child no longer on your property who woke you up at night does not fall even under the most charitable interpretation of either the Castle Doctrine or Stand Your Ground self defense exceptions to criminal homicide. I hope the man who did this is charged to the fullest extent of the law.

 

[BirdinHand]

"Let's be clear: These 'pranks' can have serious consequences and lead to charges such as criminal damage, disorderly conduct, or harassment," the Chandler Police Department said in a message to parents in the community. "Parents -- please take a moment to talk with your children. Know where they are, who they're with, and what they're doing."


no excuses to shooting someone in the back at night but, the above is true

are the parents of the kid shot being charged? why not ?

You want to charge the parents of the murder victim with some sort of crime?




I guarantee you that right this minute those parents are putting themselves through the worst hell possibly imaginable. I cannot even believe that someone would even have the audacity to believe they should face any sort of criminal charge, let alone the audacity to type it out.


Wow. What a world.

 

[BirdinHand]

As I read your post I thought about my own behavior growing up. I'd pull shit, sometimes get away with it, most times not. But it was normal - children learning consequences. This is a deeper rot. The right talks about all these things that destroyed the American family, but the cultures love of and use of guns is right up there. It's part of an overall hatred towards community and other people.

Fox News and other right wing media peddle FEAR into the homes of Americans that consume their trash 24/7.

Seriously.

Turn on Fox one day. It’s absolutely packed full of fear mongering. Even the ADS are fear mongering (invest in gold! Financial collapse is coming! But if you buy this coin…you can withstand it)

The thing is? The fear that’s being sold is being sold for the purpose of getting the people consuming it to believe lies spewed to them by truly evil people.

That’s the real danger. They just don’t see it because they’ve been scared into believing the only ones “saving” them are the ones telling them to be scared.

 

[The Brad Dad]

Fox News and other right wing media peddle FEAR into the homes of Americans that consume their trash 24/7.

Seriously.

Turn on Fox one day. It’s absolutely packed full of fear mongering. Even the ADS are fear mongering (invest in gold! Financial collapse is coming! But if you buy this coin…you can withstand it)

The thing is? The fear that’s being sold is being sold for the purpose of getting the people consuming it to believe lies spewed to them by truly evil people.

That’s the real danger. They just don’t see it because they’ve been scared into believing the only ones “saving” them are the ones telling them to be scared.

I go to a lot of rw sites. Breitbart, Fox, epoch, etc. It's not even just hiding info, they just make things up. The comment sections are psychotic.