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[Bodi]

How so?
Asserting "God exists" is a logically valid statement,

No it isn't.

It is illogical to claim something exists without any eviden


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[LittleNipper]

Proof that something does not exist? Seriously?

Where is your proof that he exists? There is none.

Can you see the wind? Where does it come from and where does it go? NO, but one can witness what it can do. A tornado is only visible as it sucks in clouds or debris as it's whirling action rips apart everything in it's path. But the actual wind is invisible.

Isn't God supposed to be forgiving? Are you saying that he gives us the ability of logic then will punish us when we use it?

That would be a seriously shitty God.


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GOD is a judge and as the judge HE deals out punishment for evil. HOWEVER, HE also doesn't wish to send anyone to hell, and so HE made a way that our sins are covered by the very blood of the MESSIAH/CHRIST. And since CHRIST and the FATHER are ONE, all three wish for the very same things. Real love is GOD'S willingness save that which was lost at HIS own expense.

 

[LittleNipper]

How do you know that God is not lying to you and that he hates you and gave you a meager life just for torture... and more will follow?



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...Because CHRIST is the FATHER's SON. And the FATHER has an eternal relationship with HIM. And JESUS said HE came to save the world and not condemn it. The very fact that JESUS is GOD (in fleshly form) is the only way of realizing what GOD was/is willing to do out of LOVE. People who say, JESUS is but a created being are left with no guarantees ---only a created beings limited say-so. BUT, since the CHRIST is GOD, HE ultimately both fully and perfectly understands GOD's total purpose and will. And since CHRIST was trustworthy on earth towards HIS disciples, we know what GOD said is also very true.

 

[LittleNipper]

I just know—like all those religious people who just know there is a god.

I have no proof—just like all those religious people who have no real proof that god exists. They take their beliefs on faith, as do I.

Then I’m wrong, but I believe I’m right, just like all those religious people who believe they’re right. But at least I’m not telling other people how they should live their lives or what to believe, as so many religious people have done to me throughout my life (I was raised in a devout Christian household). I support religious freedom, not theocracy. I know a lot of religious people who would be happy to see America become a theocracy.

Mark

GOD doesn't expect anyone to just have blind faith. GOD has provided HIS WORD (read it). The events in it's books are historical, and over time more and more has been definitely proven. The same cannot be said regarding the Book of Mormon.
Look at creation. We see life and yet how did it all come to be? We can beseech GOD in times of need, and GOD does provide help to those who are being honest in their need. Sometimes it's a sense of comfort, sometimes healing, sometimes an understanding... But if you are getting NOTHING out of your belief, then YOU BELIEF is in vain.

 

[quip]

That is not what I said.

Nope. It is not logical to assert that something that has no evidence of existing... exists.

That is... answer that.


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You're simply begging the question of God's existence.

 

[quip]

No it isn't.

It is illogical to claim something exists without any eviden


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I'm not attempting to prove the soundness of "God exists", yet the assertion is quite logically valid.

 

[quip]

No, it's not. It's nothing more than an empty assertions without supporting evidence. Such an assertion incurs the burden of proof.

Then that's where the logical inquiry ends and your petty disagreement over (religious) faith commences.

 

[stevecanuck]

Can you see the wind? Where does it come from and where does it go? NO, but one can witness what it can do. A tornado is only visible as it sucks in clouds or debris as it's whirling action rips apart everything in it's path. But the actual wind is invisible.

Wind (moving air) is very real and very measurable (see below). You can also PHYSICALLY feel it all by yourself.

Now this is where you substitute the figurative for the literal and say that you 'feel' and 'see' god every day.

• Nitrogen (N₂) – ~78%
• Oxygen (O₂) – ~21%
• Argon (Ar) – ~0.93%
• Carbon Dioxide (CO₂) – ~0.04% (varies slightly)
• Neon, Helium, Krypton, Xenon – Trace amounts
• Water Vapor (H₂O) – Varies from ~0.1% to 4% depending on humidity
• Other trace gases – Includes ozone (O₃), methane (CH₄), and others in very small quantities

 

[stevecanuck]

Then that's where the logical inquiry ends and your petty disagreement over (religious) faith commences.

Nope, it's logical to ask for proof when presented with an assertion.

 

[Bodi]

Can you see the wind? Where does it come from and where does it go? NO, but one can witness what it can do. A tornado is only visible as it sucks in clouds or debris as it's whirling action rips apart everything in it's path. But the actual wind is invisible.

Bad examples. We can feel the wind. We can see what it does to things. We can measure it. Science can explain how it is factually REAL.

GOD is a judge and as the judge HE deals out punishment for evil. HOWEVER, HE also doesn't wish to send anyone to hell, and so HE made a way that our sins are covered by the very blood of the MESSIAH/CHRIST. And since CHRIST and the FATHER are ONE, all three wish for the very same things. Real love is GOD'S willingness save that which was lost at HIS own expense.

You have not proven God exists.


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[Bodi]

I'm not attempting to prove the soundness of "God exists", yet the assertion is quite logically valid.

It is illogical to claim something exists without any evidence.

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[Bodi]

You're simply begging the question of God's existence.

LOL. You have that 100% backwards. You are begging the question.

https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=d6c9...zZWFyY2g_cT1iZWdnaW5nIHRoZSBxdWVzdGlvbg&ntb=1
"Begging the question" refers to a logical fallacy where an argument's premises assume the truth of the conclusion, effectively making the argument circular. This means that the argument does not provide any evidence to support its conclusion, as it relies on an assumption that has not been demonstrated to be true.


Thanks!!


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[Bodi]

...Because CHRIST is the FATHER's SON. And the FATHER has an eternal relationship with HIM. And JESUS said HE came to save the world and not condemn it. The very fact that JESUS is GOD (in fleshly form) is the only way of realizing what GOD was/is willing to do out of LOVE. People who say, JESUS is but a created being are left with no guarantees ---only a created beings limited say-so. BUT, since the CHRIST is GOD, HE ultimately both fully and perfectly understands GOD's total purpose and will. And since CHRIST was trustworthy on earth towards HIS disciples, we know what GOD said is also very true.

You failed to grasp the irony of the question.

Using the Bible to prove God is real is as childish as using Lord of the Rings to prove that Gandalf is real.


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[Gordy327]

You failed to grasp the irony of the question.

Using the Bible to prove God is real is as childish as using Lord of the Rings to prove that Gandalf is real.
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Gandalf is cool. I will not have anyone besmirch Gandalf the White

But yes, using the bible to prove god is not only childish (at least mentally speaking), it is also a logical fallacy.

 

[quip]

Nope, it's logical to ask for proof when presented with an assertion.

Not in matters of spiritual intuition or faith.

You see @Gordy327 asserted that the statements "God exists" and "God does not exist" are logically indefensible.

I'm simply wondering why Gordy327 relies upon strict logical reasoning, regarding an issue - so described - as being "logically indefensible"?

Perhaps you can provide an answer.

 

[quip]

It is illogical to claim something exists without any evidence.

b

Again, the statement itself does not violate any rules of logic. Any claim regarding the statement, is simply being assumed by you.

 

[quip]

LOL. You have that 100% backwards. You are begging the question.

https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=d6c9...zZWFyY2g_cT1iZWdnaW5nIHRoZSBxdWVzdGlvbg&ntb=1
"Begging the question" refers to a logical fallacy where an argument's premises assume the truth of the conclusion, effectively making the argument circular. This means that the argument does not provide any evidence to support its conclusion, as it relies on an assumption that has not been demonstrated to be true.


Thanks!!


sd

I simply made a logical statement, you assumed as false without evidence.

 

[LittleNipper]

You failed to grasp the irony of the question.

Using the Bible to prove God is real is as childish as using Lord of the Rings to prove that Gandalf is real.d

If the Bible is full of truth ---- not so much. Tolkien was a devout Catholic and infused Lord of the Rings with the biblical narrative. Since GOD inspired HIS Word, I feel that the Bible should be quite accurate logistically.

 

[Bodi]

If the Bible is full of truth ---- not so much. Tolkien was a devout Catholic and infused Lord of the Rings with the biblical narrative. Since GOD inspired HIS Word, I feel that the Bible should be quite accurate logistically.

Sorry. I didn't realize. No conversing about reality with people that Thump Bibles...



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[Bodi]

I simply made a logical statement,

Nope. I said that statement is illogical, because it is.

you assumed as false without evidence.

No. I stated it was illogical because there is no evidence.

It is illogical to claim that 1,000 foot humans lived on Earth 4 million years ago, without any evidence, as well.


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[quip]

It is illogical to claim that 1,000 foot humans lived on Earth 4 million years ago, without any evidence, as well.


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There's nothing illogical about this statement. Though it's quite unsound.

Learn the difference:

1. Humans only speak Latin
2. Donald Trump is human
3. Therefore, Donald Trump speaks Latin

Logically correct....very unsound.

 

[stevecanuck]

Not in matters of spiritual intuition or faith.

Then the conversation is over.

If you think that faith is as valid as proof, then no amount of logic will ever dissuade you from asserting that they're equal.

Bye.

 

[Bodi]

There's nothing illogical about this statement. Though it's quite unsound.

Logically correct....very unsound.

Illogical
lacking sense or clear, sound reasoning:

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Game set match!

 

[quip]

Then the conversation is over.

Exactly!

If you think that faith is as valid as proof, then no amount of logic will ever dissuade you from asserting that they're equal.

Bye.

Why expend your energy arguing about an "unequal to logic" subject matter while expecting an exclusively logical explanation?

Ironically .... that's irrational.

Bye.

 

[quip]

Illogical
lacking sense or clear, sound reasoning:

Game set match!

Precisely....unsound.