Grokmaster
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We don't have open borders, you lie and exaggerate because you can't argue the issues.
Open borders means there is no security at the border and freedom of movement is legally allowed by the government. It doesn't mean the past 230 years you haven't had the wall you just started wanting was "open borders".
We have far to many places that ARE OPEN, which IS THE ISSUE, and Obama's OWN BP CHIEF has no trouble pointing out the DEMIDIOCY in regards to it.
Sorry about your FAILED "TALKING POINT".
Oh my! A career border agent thinks that border agents should be showered with funding!? Who could've ever seen this! Next I bet you'll ask an abortion doctor if he thinks the government should subsidize more abortions.
Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca
"... you lie and exaggerate because you can't argue the issues.
Oh my!! Please QUOTE HIM SAYING THAT.
Next you'll pretend that the Illegal-o-crats are actually concerned with securing the border.
Keep DANCING...it's fun to watch!!
Oh he doesn't need to be showered with billions for a wall? Great! He can start filling sandbags himself then and Trump can stop looking for the money.
Mr. Morgan did not say a wall alone was effective, he said a multi-layered approach was effective where it exists.
He did not say it was the most cost effective solution. Cost was not a consideration in his presentation.
He did not say that those who did not cross a wall did not cross somewhere else.
He did not say it was not detrimental to the environment.
He did not say it did not impinge on the rights of US citizens living along the border.
He did not address the incentives US law creates to sneak across the border rather than cross legally.
A wall wastes resources that should be used more effectively. it would take years of construction, and once constructed it would require continuous maintenance.
Comprehensive immigration law reform should be the first step, not the last.
Tell it to OBAMA'S BORDER PATRIL CHIEF, since, you seem to think you know more about it than he does.
$5.7 billion is FAR FROM " being showered with billions".
The money is already available in the DHS and other areas under the Executive Branch purview , and there is not ONE ****ING THING the Illegal-o-crats can do about the POTUS choosing to use it for border security.
If we asked abortion doctors if they think they could use 5.6 billion dollars for something, do you think they'd say yes? Would that convince you of anything? You don't think you know more than doctors do you?
Straw man much?
I never said he said a "WALL ALONE"....
HE DID SAY THIS...which renders the rest of your BULL**** MOOT:
“ Everywhere where a wall was built — in conjunction with a multi-layer approach of infrastructure, technology, and personnel — it works,” he said. “Illegal immigration where the wall was has been reduced 90 percent.”
Are you arguing for a wall as the best solution to improve border security or for Mr. Morgan's statement? If you're arguing for a wall as the best solution for border security then all of my statements are pertinent. What Mr. Morgan said makes no point I made moot, it makes my point. He made a very specific claim, but did not address multiple other aspects of a complex problem.
I am making the point that EVEN OBAMA'S BORDER PATROL CHIEF SIDES WITH PRES.TRUMP, on the NECESSITY of a WALL/BARRIER for border security.
NO WHERE did I or he, say ONLY A WALL, which was your attempted STRAWMAN, but the EFECTIVENESS of a WALL, which the Illegaocrats KEEP LYING ABOUT, was clearly attested to .
HE DID SPECIFY THIS:
“ Everywhere where a wall was built — in conjunction with a multi-layer approach of infrastructure, technology, and personnel — it works,” he said. “Illegal immigration where the wall was has been reduced 90 percent.”
He didn't say "everywhere drones were deployed", or everywhere electronic surveillance was used"...etc...DID HE?
What an INANE attempted point. That's really you current "DENIAL"?I'm pretty sure he did not say it was necessary, only that it was effective where it exists. Repetition does not improve your point. I watched the video.
Are you arguing for a wall as the best solution to improve border security or for Mr. Morgan's statement? If you're arguing for a wall as the best solution for border security then all of my statements are pertinent. What Mr. Morgan said makes no point I made moot, it makes my point. He made a very specific claim, but did not address multiple other aspects of a complex problem.
https://youtu.be/7IUEYrrBBcEI am arguing that a WALL STOPS ALMOST ALL PEOPLE...as does Obama's Border Patrol chief.
VERY CLEARLY.
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