Grokmaster
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It’s time to clear the zones and register 155MM arty and practice laying a grid of HE.
That time has passed. Need more forceful clarification.That might be a bit more than is needed. Just NOT ALLOWING ENTRY/DEPORTING ILLEGALS would be sufficient, IMHO.
That time has passed. Need more forceful clarification.
What BULL****. The LYING LEFT/FAKE NEWS has been wailing and gnashing teeth over MEAN OOLD TRUMP TEARGASSING DA CHILLUNS for DAYS.
- Nobody I've spoken with gives a damn about the Border Patrol (BP) using the teargas. They all say the same thing: they're not currently in a position to second-guess BP's use of teargas, so they're withholding judgment in that regard.
What they are in a position to pass judgment on, and they damn sure have done, is Trump's trying to put lipstick on the pig that is people getting teargassed. Trump called the gas used "a very minor form of the tear gas itself;" moreover, he denied that it was used against children despite pictures and video showing that isn't at all so.- Is the OP-er of this thread and Jack Fabulous the same person:
That time has never been arrived at. We need to enforce it, AGGRESSIVELY...which I am sure can be done w/o artillery.
I don’t see them walking in the medians down the highways headed out. They knew their pipe dream of eating the cake and the ice cream would never materialize. We could round them up till the end of days and never get a grip on the problem. A solution would be to grab them as they park to grocery shop.
- Nobody I've spoken with gives a damn about the Border Patrol (BP) using the teargas. They all say the same thing: they're not currently in a position to second-guess BP's use of teargas, so they're withholding judgment in that regard.
What they are in a position to pass judgment on, and they damn sure have done, is Trump's trying to put lipstick on the pig that is people getting teargassed. Trump called the gas used "a very minor form of the tear gas itself;" moreover, he denied that it was used against children despite pictures and video showing that isn't at all so.- Is the OP-er of this thread and Jack Fabulous the same person:
What BULL****. The LYING LEFT/FAKE NEWS has been wailing and gnashing teeth over MEAN OOLD TRUMP TEARGASSING DA CHILLUNS for DAYS.
They LIED...it is OVEREWHELMINGLY MEN being gassed...and GOOD.
So ...they aren't willing to "pass judgement on the use of teargas"...UNLESS IT'S TRUMP, as I SAID, and YOU JUST VERIFIED.
Same LIARS sad NOT A PEEP WHEN OBAMA DID IT = MY ENTIRE POINT.
It’s time to clear the zones and register 155MM arty and practice laying a grid of HE.
I'm pretty sure firing a 155 in the city or the 'burbs would violate a few noise ordinances.....it exceeds 200 decibels; thats a bit hard on the ears, not to mention what it will do to the neighbors windows.
Besides.....tear gas and CS isn't that bad....it kinda tingles and clears out the sinus conjestion.
Swells the sinuses, actually. But not nearly as badly as MACE...
All I remember was the burning eyes and the snot running out of my nose like an open faucet.....30 minutes and two canteens of water in the face later, my sinus passages were as open as a wind tunnel.
:shrug:
Can't backup your own bull****?
You went from "nobody cares about the teargas" to "Trump the Evil because of the teargas!!" in two paragraphs.
Whiplash?
What they are in a position to pass judgment on, and they damn sure have done, is Trump's trying to put lipstick on the pig that is people getting teargassed. Trump called the gas used "a very minor form of the tear gas itself;" moreover, he denied that it was used against children despite pictures and video showing that isn't at all so.
Red:
You just keep thinking that....
.Quote Originally Posted by Grokmaster
Can't backup your own bull****?
You went from "nobody cares about the teargas" to "Trump the Evil because of the teargas!!" in two paragraphs
Originally Posted by Xelor
1.Nobody I've spoken with gives a damn about the Border Patrol (BP) using the teargas. They all say the same thing: they're not currently in a position to second-guess BP's use of teargas, so they're withholding judgment in that regard.
What they are in a position to pass judgment on, and they damn sure have done, is Trump's trying to put lipstick on the pig that is people getting teargassed. Trump called the gas used "a very minor form of the tear gas itself;" moreover, he denied that it was used against children despite pictures and video showing that isn't at all so.
2.Is the OP-er of this thread and Jack Fabulous the same person:
•Border agents routinely used tear gas during Obama administration.
The only difference I see is that during Obama's time there were no incidents of border patrol agents shooting tear gas canisters OVER the border into Mexico eliciting complaints from Mexico. EMS and ambulances are typically near by during the use of tear gas because some individuals are severely affected by it. You don't have the ability to send EMS and ambulances when you don't know what your tear gas is doing on the other side of a wall. I have seen no news stories to confirm it but its a more than a fair guess that the incident was carried out by a much more aggressive militarized force than ever used during Obama's time. Incidents occurred then at the border not OVER the border and by a less militarized force.
- What they are in a position to pass judgment on, and they damn sure have done, is Trump's trying to put lipstick on the pig that is people getting teargassed. Trump called the gas used "a very minor form of the tear gas itself;" moreover, he denied that it was used against children despite pictures and video showing that isn't at all so.
"We didn't. We do not use it on children."
Do you really not understand that the children were not targeted?
Secondly, we have no images to confirm they were even affected by the CS. Just claims.
So for all anyone knows they staged a photo of them being near a canister spewing a gas (that was moving away from them) to created a false narrative.
What a pile of ****ing bull****!!!!!!!The only difference I see is that during Obama's time there were no incidents of border patrol agents shooting tear gas canisters OVER the border into Mexico eliciting complaints from Mexico. EMS and ambulances are typically near by during the use of tear gas because some individuals are severely affected by it. You don't have the ability to send EMS and ambulances when you don't know what your tear gas is doing on the other side of a wall. I have seen no news stories to confirm it but its a more than a fair guess that the incident was carried out by a much more aggressive militarized force than ever used during Obama's time. Incidents occurred then at the border not OVER the border and by a less militarized force
[SUP]Red:
In answer to your question:
My own questions to you:
- I am well aware of the distinction between "used on" and "targeted."
- I am equally aware that Donald "I know words, I have the best words" Trump did not, as you seem to have the presence of mind, honesty and integrity to do, choose to say "Border Patrol [or whoever] didn't target children," which is probably a truthful and accurate statement.
- Moreover, it's accuracy, plausibility and likelihood establishes a reasonable foundation for him (or members of his Administration) saying something akin to:
- "While we regret that children were affected by the teargas, that they were present amidst unruly adults whom the Border Patrol felt it necessary to subdue made unavoidable their being affected by the gas."
- Why must we suffer a POTUS, not a worker on a chain gang or a juvenile, who hasn't the presence of mind and integrity to simply state simple facts in a precise manner?
- Exacerbating the fact of Trump's vague/ambiguous diction is the fact of his having flat-out lied about the nature of the teargas used, saying, in effect, it was the mild form of teargas, as opposed to some other potency of teargas, even though the fact of the matter, as shown by the content to which I linked, is that Border Patrol have only one kind of teargas.
- Do you think Trump understands the connotational and denotational differences between "use" and "target?"
- You seem to understand the differences and similarities. I certainly do.
- Is it too much to expect an Ivy-League-educated POTUS -- one who's claimed to be a genius, no less -- do too and think before speaking, choosing words that mean and suggest neither more nor less than the actual facts of a given matter, in this case the teargassing of migrants at the border, evince?
Blue:
??? There are.
Pink:
If you're going to proffer ad ignorantiam lines, rebuttals and refutations that, for their veracity, rely on being afoot an existential conspiracy, don't respond to me.[/SUP]
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