tlranger said:Need help for university class, 'ID neither...nor'
The theologin is giving his first lecture, after a string of what is science lectures. He wants to know the origin and purpose of the Book of Genesis. So far it looks like, telling the Jewish People - they are the chosen people and why. Don't we know any more than that. the who, why, when? I'm thinking we may have forgotten more than we think we know.
Peace T L Ranger
That is incorrect. The Dead Sea Scrolls disprove that theory. They contain almost a complete Genesis which is identical with the one we have today. The Scrolls date back to before the Babylonian Empire.i believe in tranquility said:The book of genesis is a collection of stories told over the period of when ancient babylonian tribes just as every other culture came to some sort of thought to how earth and humans were created. This is escpailly the case in the Creation Stories. If you read Genesis with no prejudice you see traces of polytheism, henotheism, and of course the dominant monotheism.
And how would Moses know to record these "actual events"?oracle25 said:It's very simple, the book of Genesis Is factual account of actual events recorded by Moses. Despite all the controversy over the JEDP people, that fact still stands. There has never been any real confusion about where the book of Genesis came from, it's just a bunch of Atheist/Agnostics don't want to believe it.
oracle25 said:It's very simple, the book of Genesis Is factual account of actual events recorded by Moses. Despite all the controversy over the JEDP people, that fact still stands. There has never been any real confusion about where the book of Genesis came from, it's just a bunch of Atheist/Agnostics don't want to believe it.
oracle25 said:It's very simple, the book of Genesis Is factual account of actual events recorded by Moses. Despite all the controversy over the JEDP people, that fact still stands. There has never been any real confusion about where the book of Genesis came from, it's just a bunch of Atheist/Agnostics don't want to believe it.
EnforcerSG said:Well, from a Christian POV, how should the Book of Genesis be taken? I mean, unless there are huge contextual clues pointing that it should be not taken in a literal way, why shouldn't it be taken literally?
EnforcerSG said:If you are going to say it is a metaphor or something like that, how do you know other things in the Bible are not a metaphor? Christ coming back to life is a big one to question here. Can you just pick and choose what parts of the Bible are literally true and which parts are not?
EnforcerSG said:If you start saying things like 'a day to God is not a day to us,' well where does that end?
Enforcer said:What is forgiveness, morals, good, love to God? What meaning does anything have in the Bible at that point?
EnforcerSG said:But the biggest problem I see is if you don't believe that Genesis is literally true, why don't you? Is it because the wording and structure of the text indicates it is just a story? Or is it because you believe and accept something else (science, evolution, big bang, evidence, your own sense) more than you believe the word of God? Is that reasonable?
Such as?The Real McCoy said:There ARE huge contextual clues pointing out that it should not be taken literally.
So the Bible is vague?The Real McCoy said:From what I've heard, the original text of Genesis used the Hebrew word "yom" which translates to "day" but can also mean "age." Unfortunately, this still doesn't make the 7 day, or 7 age if you will, acurate in terms of chronology.
My first words in the post were "Well, from a Christian POV..." I meant that to carry through my entire post.The Real McCoy said:My love for God and forgiveness for others comes natural. I don't need a book to tell me when I'm right or wrong.
The problem here, is that (it seems anyway) you assume the Bible actually IS the word of God. Rather than blindly accepting what one book says, I prefer to use my God given power of reason to ascertain truth by studying astronomy, geology, biology, physics, etc.
That is incorrect. The Dead Sea Scrolls disprove that theory. They contain almost a complete Genesis which is identical with the one we have today. The Scrolls date back to before the Babylonian Empire.
I concure, Moses did not write the book of Genesis, However, Moses was what you would call the editor of Genesis. He was the one who put the book together from different manuscripts as listed in the above quote.George_Washington said:Look you guys, Genesis wasn't written by Moses. It was written by sacred, ancient, and mysterious authors-the Yawhist, Priestly, Deuteronomist, and Elohist traditions.
Geezz, I can't believe so many of you guys on this forum have never heard of this! I will post excerpts from a good book on this when I have the time but you can look up any one of these mentioned authors on the Internet.
Tashah said:According to biblical scholarship, the Torah in its present form was written by the Yahwist (the J-Writer) during the Babylonian captivity period of Jewish history. It is assumed that the Yahwist put order to and perhaps edited earlier Jewish documents and oral traditions. One can also discern a borrowing in Genesis of non-Jewish sources such as the Sumerian 'Epic of Gilgamesh'... a pre-Torah account of the Great Flood and the oldest known written work of literature.
Tashah
Lol Gardner. I believe Harold Bloom mused on this possibility in his wonderful book... 'Jesus and Yahweh: The Names Divine'.Gardener said:Pssst -- Tasha. I'm going to say this really, really quietly, so to keep this between just you and me. If folks heard such stuff, they might attack me with pitchforks, so mum's the word, o.k.?
Anyway, I just wanted to add that there is at least a little bit of conjecture that J was a.......a......... a.....gasp.....WOMAN!
at least according to Harold Bloom, among others.
Needless to say, this must be kept under wraps at all costs.
americanwoman said:The bible can be vague when it just skips over things like that which are very important.
I believe when they were writing the bible they left out alot of important things that might help fit the puzzle together.
I think you can not believe in Genesis but still believe in God and all that.
Come on there is bones of dinosaurs and other things like that but it isn't even mentioned in the bible. How do you dispute that evidence?
kal-el said:Yes, keep in mind that God never authored even a modicum of it, it's all man.
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