Boehner Will Resign from Congress

[Fiddytree]

Uh...yeah.

I despise both parties and think every POTUS in history is a failure.

That is your idea of 'populist'?

Yep. It's the romanticization of the competence of the masses against the political classes with an insatiable desire for revolutionary tactics in the pursuit of God knows what fantasy. Populism in a nutshell.

 

[JayDubya]

this is the sort of attitude that kills the GOP. people who think punishing women for having sex is more important than checking an out of control federal government's expansion

Yeah, punishing folks for killing other human beings is the same thing as punishing folks for having sex.

Makes perfect sense, as usual.


The only way your sentence parses is if you consider a kid a punishment, which is beyond ****ed up.

 

[TheDemSocialist]

I'm not sure what type of response you're fishing for, here.

mussel

 

[Chomsky]

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My first ex wife (democrat) called into a local radio program a few weeks ago. I just happened to be listening. She is as stupid as she ever was, maybe even more so. Her proposal was that all the candidates should "just quit running and just let Trump win the primaries." The host just said, "Alrighty then" and moved on. This thread kind of reminds me of that.

That had to be a very freaky moment ...

 

[NonoBadDog]

That had to be a very freaky moment ...

I laughed my ass off. She sounded as snarky as ever.

 

[Chomsky]

I laughed my ass off. She sounded as snarky as ever.

Yeah, but the coincidence of it all!

(coming from someone who has an ex, too)

 

[American]

Whoever got him to resign needs to work on McConnell, that old putz.

 

[MMC]

[/I][/COLOR]You really think a "tiny bit more conservative" leader is gonna change things?

Did you forget the point.....it was that Hensarling was more conservative than Boehner. That which you tried to show they were about the same. Their not.

Im sure he will be. But McCarthy had not problems being promoted to leadership position.. Tea Party support has very minimal meaning. Example, Tea Party supported "ousting Boehner" twice. What was the most votes they got in kicking him out? 12... Boehner survives conservative coup, easily wins third term as Speaker - Vox

Also doesnt help that those "Tea Party" supporters, and "Hertiage" backed members pretty much voted for Boehner as well

Again, you trying to explain whats happening inside the Repubs and thinking that someone is saying the Tea Party can make the moves with Leadership. Is quite amusing. Especially when no one is saying much about them other than Hensarling has their backing.

what do you mean "support"? Support on what? Leadership position? A policy position?

Seems we were talking Leadership position. What happened did you lose that point to? Must be due to the long drawn out process you need to take for an answer with simple issues.

Heritage foundation support doesnt mean much when it comes to leadership votes.

Yes, Heritage Foundation support does play its part.

So you're still buying into the plan that the ACA can be "repealed and replaced"?
Politically unrealistic, economic disaster, social disaster

"This is one half of the GOP’s dilemma: Those benefits, like most government benefits, would be difficult to take away. An estimated 19 million people could lose health insurance if the measure were repealed... " http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/health-law-repeal-and-replace-joins-republican-presidential-contest/2015/08/18/b620ee94-45ce-11e5-846d-02792f854297_story.html

Hard for the CBO to know anything when there is no plan out there they can put numbers to. Looks like that will be a wait and see type of deal, after the election. Moreover, there was only an answer to what you were confused over. Which was over the names of the Peeps Special Package. So no need to deflect over it.

Majority leader=#2

But anyways the election process to replace Boehner will look dramatic but in reality its gonna be anything but: Here's how the House will choose John Boehner's replacement - Vox

Before running for Congress, Hensarling was on staff for former Sen. Phil Gramm of Texas, and has championed many of the same economic and banking ideas the outspoken Gramm championed. He arrived in Congress long before the Tea Party emerged, but he has been a leading figure in the intellectual wing of that movement seeking to rein in the size of government. He’s also been the point person in fights over the Fed, over Dodd-Frank Wall Street reforms, and, most importantly in terms of Boehner’s predicament, over the reauthorization of the Ex-Im Bank.

He has attacked the so-called crony capitalism that he says the Bank, which helps finance exports by American firms, represents. His quiet rebellion has over the past two years grown into a major battle ground between more traditional (and business-friendly) Republicans and those closer to Tea Party populism.....snip~

Will Jeb Hensarling seek to be next Speaker now that Boehner is quitting? | | Dallas Morning News



Btw......what do you think it means by Leading a quiet rebellion for two years against Boehner? Must mean he has support to do so to the Speaker of the House, huh? That just doesn't happen with barely any support. Now does it?

Oh, and another point. He didn't challenge McCarthy for the #2 spot last time round. But I am glad Vox checked in to know how things take place.

 

[clownboy]

Give me a ****ing break. You do realize it passed the House?
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2015/roll505.xml

You do realize that he is looking for ways to move forward separate measures that would be a funding of the gov bill and a defunding of planned parenthood bill?
Bill to avoid government shutdown moves in Congress | Reuters

Or do you think your only a conservative or "conservative enough" when you balance the whole federal budget on the back of funding for planned parenthood?

No, give us a break. Really, don't you see the problem with the analysis of an avowed socialist and republican hater telling us what constitutes a conservative?

 

[WCH]

yes when was that actually a thing? I kinda thought the Framers founded a secular government...

That's what you get for thinking.

It's never been done in our lives.

 

[Lursa]

Maybe he's quitting for a presidential run in 2016. Cooling off period, people start talking about how much better he was than whoever they replace him with, he's seen as a 'moderate' (since hard-core Republicans despise him), yada yada yada....maybe some "money people" have approached him and this is his 'out.' I can see him using the complete lack of ability for the House to compromise as a stepping stone to that moderate platform.

Just a little fun speculation. YMMV.

 

[TheDemSocialist]

No, give us a break. Really, don't you see the problem with the analysis of an avowed socialist and republican hater telling us what constitutes a conservative?

I asked a question: Or do you think your only a conservative or "conservative enough" when you balance the whole federal budget on the back of funding for planned parenthood?

 

[Slyfox696]

Come immediately to mind? Please.

Umm, yes. They were immediate. Are you really questioning what happened in my head now?

Since they came so easily to your mind it should have been easy to answer the question which was, what did Obama compromise on and what did those compromises look like.

The answer is LITERALLY in the links I provided. I mean, the one about the NDAA features comments from Obama himself on the fact he signed something which contained provisions he didn't like. The 2015 signing bill CLEARLY indicates that not all of the sequester was removed and I assumed it was a fairly well known fact on this political forum that Obama supports full removal of the sequester.

Did you even look at the links?

IOW, what are the elements proposed by Congress that he really didn't want to sign into Law but managed to swallow for the sake of compromise.

No, apparently you didn't read the links because Obama literally wrote what he didn't like in the last one.

You are wrong. What's worse is you are wrong about something which doesn't even carry any relevance in this discussion.

 

[Fiddytree]

Maybe he's quitting for a presidential run in 2016. Cooling off period, people start talking about how much better he was than whoever they replace him with, he's seen as a 'moderate' (since hard-core Republicans despise him), yada yada yada....maybe some "money people" have approached him and this is his 'out.' I can see him using the complete lack of ability for the House to compromise as a stepping stone to that moderate platform.

Just a little fun speculation. YMMV.

No. There's not enough time to mount a campaign under normal circumstances, let alone a crowded field such as this, while his own base is largely covered and his opposition is fierce enough to make a primary bout difficult. Furthermore, deadlines in many states would come and go by the time he would have time to announce intentions. A Republican candidate would have to file within 5 days from now for the South Carolina primary to have any shot at all at the national ticket. By the first of the next year, over a dozen states would be off the table.

Larry J. Sabato's Crystal Ball » The Real Presidential Deadlines

 

[MMC]

No, give us a break. Really, don't you see the problem with the analysis of an avowed socialist and republican hater telling us what constitutes a conservative?

Cmon now CB. :2wave: We just had him learning a lil bit about those Conservatives. He was even looking up links about it. Lets not blow the start of a good thing. Just sayin. :mrgreen:

 

[Chomsky]

Maybe he's quitting for a presidential run in 2016. Cooling off period, people start talking about how much better he was than whoever they replace him with, he's seen as a 'moderate' (since hard-core Republicans despise him), yada yada yada....maybe some "money people" have approached him and this is his 'out.' I can see him using the complete lack of ability for the House to compromise as a stepping stone to that moderate platform.

Just a little fun speculation. YMMV.

No. There's not enough time to mount a campaign under normal circumstances, let alone a crowded field such as this, while his own base is largely covered and his opposition is fierce enough to make a primary bout difficult.

Yes, but we've got to give her kudos for creative thinking.

Though, I still maintain minority Spkr Pelosi gave him the 'shove-off'.

 

[clownboy]

I asked a question: Or do you think your only a conservative or "conservative enough" when you balance the whole federal budget on the back of funding for planned parenthood?

Oh nonsense. You got caught again trying to tell republicans what a conservative is or is not. Where to set the bar. It's an old opposition tactic. And reducing the issue of a shutdown in such an absurd manner is only making your ploy more transparent.

 

[haymarket]

And the Republican Party turns even harder to the far right and something like pragmatism is not even in their vocabulary.

yeah -this should help the nations and its people a whole helluva lot. :doh:roll:

 

[Objective Voice]

Right, because the Constitution and over taxation is just so much nonsense.

Who is over-taxed at the federal level? The highest tax rate is currently at 39.6% (40% rounded up) with an effective individual tax rate of 20.1% (highest level exclusing corporate taxes and payroll taxes). That's retention on earnings ranging from $465K - 1.435M/annually. Seems to me that even the wealthiest individuals get to keep between 60-80% their income. Compare that to the 25%* the average wage earning has to fork over on $52K (median) annual income.

*Highest wage level in the 25% federal income tax bracket: $151K/annually.

If you want to say that the middle-class pays too much in taxes, I'm with you there. But on the whole, I'd say tax rates are pretty low...for those making over $141K.

 

[cpwill]

Yea... They would totally put themselves and that political **** show.... :roll: Dream on.

It's not impossible. There are a lot of good ideas floating around out there.

:lamo Read the resolution: https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/aumf_02112015.pdf

Where is he asking for "less power"? And how is one given "less power"?

I've read the proposed resolution. It's interesting.

Currently counter ISIL operations are conducted under the AQAM EXORD, which falls under the AQ AUMF, which grants wide executive latitude and doesn't have a sunset. The proposed language for the counter-ISIL AUMF creates a sunset and narrows executive latitude.

We should pass a counter-ISIL AUMF, simply because it's an abuse of government at some point not to. The groups have not only split, but you run into issues WRT franchise operations - Boko Haram / ISWAP, for example, never formally pledged to AQ, but did pledge to ISIL. Can they really fall under the AQAM EXORD? That's abusing the language.

But the counter-ISIL AUMF we pass should recognize that this is going to be a long, ugly, fight that will pop up around the globe, as ISIL has adherents everywhere from the western tip of Africa to Indonesia, and as we have no 3-year plan for the actual defeat of the central organization. Bluntly, this is an attempt to make ISIL the next President's problem by tying your own hands now.

 

[cpwill]

Who is over-taxed at the federal level?

I would say probably anyone who pays more than 25% of their income. Anything beyond that just strikes me as abusive and ridiculous. That isn't the government's money some of which it allows you to keep - it's your money that you earned that the government is taking.

If you want to say that the middle-class pays too much in taxes, I'm with you there. But on the whole, I'd say tax rates are pretty low...for those making over $141K.

Actually the United States has the most progressive federal tax system in the industrialized world, not necessarily because our tax rates on the upper income earners are the highest, but because we tax the middle class the least.

 

[Lursa]

No. There's not enough time to mount a campaign under normal circumstances, let alone a crowded field such as this, while his own base is largely covered and his opposition is fierce enough to make a primary bout difficult. Furthermore, deadlines in many states would come and go by the time he would have time to announce intentions. A Republican candidate would have to file within 5 days from now for the South Carolina primary to have any shot at all at the national ticket. By the first of the next year, over a dozen states would be off the table.

Larry J. Sabato's Crystal Ball » The Real Presidential Deadlines

The current field sucks and there are no clear front runners. Of course, it would still suck with him in it, IMO.

So you're saying that the current field is all there will be? No one new? Ha ha. That's ok too.

 

[Fiddytree]

A rather jovial Boehner giving his announcement and rationalization.

House Speaker John Boehner R-OH Resignation | Video | C-SPAN.org

 

[polgara]

But why isn't Obama equally scared since it's his shutdown too.

Greetings, bubba. :2wave:

Many voters in this country were so disgusted with Democrat majority leader Reid's way of handling things in the Senate - refusal to bring bills up for a vote, suddenly changing the rules on voting on important issues, and his glaring partisanship on everything under the sun, etc - that they voted for change in 2014, and it went far beyond governance in DC! Hyper-partisanship was not what they wanted! :no:

Now I see that many are saying we should copy the way Reid acted, and show the opposition how it feels to be the minority? WTH? We're now the Hatfields and the McCoys? The country is seeing that bipartisanship is just a pipedream these days, even though it has worked in the past and our country benefitted. Negotiation is not a four-letter word, and the people in DC need to grow up! We're paying their salaries.. .when can we expect them to start to work for us, dammit, and stop playing their loser partisan games! They all sign an oath when they're sworn in; and it's sad to see that so few have the integrity and honor to keep their word to We, the People, and I include both parties in my condemnation of the way they are acting! :2mad:

 

[faithful_servant]

Oh my. You're such a victim.

Not acting the victim at all, just pointing out an issue. If you don't like it, too bad...