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Back to the main point though:
Social Security doesn't have enough money. Assuming we're not going to get rid of it, the choices are:
(a) raise the retirement age;
(b) limit who gets it and how much; and/or
(c) raise taxes.
I prefer a and b myself.
What did people do to survive before the 1930's welfare, food stamps, etc?
How about ending the ****ing wars. A trillion here, a trillion there, soon your talking real money.
How about ending the ****ing wars. A trillion here, a trillion there, soon your talking real money.
While I agree it's not a realistic view given our current welfare state - it might just take something radical like removing the societal welfare to force people to plan for their future. For example, if said person blew their money and became destitute - their only salvation would be charity. The only reason we are in this mess is because of government putting us here. Now government is supposed to be our savior by legislating the problem THEY caused in the first place. What did people do prior to 1935 without Social Security? What did people do to survive before the 1930's welfare, food stamps, etc? Apparently they dd survive enough to increase our population, wealth and strength of this country.
My point here is, we cannot see our way free of the last 80 years of welfare creation. Government isn't the answer it's the problem. Here's a solution: Provide an opt out solution with the goal of dissolving SS in 20 years. Allow a 2% of the population (maximum) to opt out and require them to take at a minimum 50% of the money they no longer will be paying into SS, to now be put into a retirement account which they cannot withdraw from, but CAN invest. This 2% can change their mind and opt back into SS (with a penalty) in a 5 year time frame. [edit] Increase the % over time to include 100% of all workers in the 20 year period and issue a pay back for residual money left in the system - then close down SS. (Sorry - i didn't finish my thought on this)
In my case, I'm not counting on my SS to be there and am investing in my retirement on my own. I have another 23 years before I would be eligible to get SS benefits but I've mentally and fiscally already written all the money being paid into that system as non-existent. Were I to have that money available, I think I could do a better job with a better return than the government. The government however, needs SS to continue as it's a slush fund to use as they want instead of for their constituents retirement. Therefore, you and I and everyone else who's worked or is working or will work is being ripped off. Sorry if I'm not happy about that.
They became homeless hobos, slept in alleys, and watched as their children died young. Many formed the US Communist party and became socialists in opposition to this. Socialists were elected all over the US, there were riots, and people actually thought that communism was a reasonable alternative to living in abject poverty.
Seriously, do some research about what life was like before. I certainly don't want to go back there.
Well, come now. You know that's unreasonable. It's much more important to spend $10,000 on a single bomb than it is to feed a family for a year.
Its only more important if your president says that fighting the war is vital to our national security and BO says that Afghanistan IS that important.
(for the record, Im on the record as saying we should have been out in 2006)
I kinda like the cars and that lifestyle. Though the radioactive water would be a drag. Seriously... have anything to back up that view?Do it and it would become like Mad Max Beyond the Thunderddome.
Or, one could say it would force people to take accountability and responsibility for their lives instead of deferring to Government, who steals, misuses and lies about it all the while, creating yet MORE legislation to fix a problem THEY created in the first place. You're dire futuristic view while hyperbole and a false choice... shows a lack of ideological creativity.This country would become like Mexico forcing many people into survival of the fittest.
By not following bad interpretations of Keynesian economics and spending us and the rest of the world into oblivion? Wow... I guess I've been a closet anarchist all along. Cool!After the recent economic meeting in Canada we may be headed for world anarchy.
Do it and it would become like Mad Max Beyond the Thunderddome.
This country would become like Mexico forcing many people into survival of the fittest.
After the recent economic meeting in Canada we may be headed for world anarchy.
Here is the other side of the coin...
We still are attending theatres in droves. restaraunts are still packed. WalMart parking lots are still packed. Every welfare recipient in the country cant afford food but somehow manages a cell phone. Game stations still do a thriving business.
Maybe the problem isnt a lack of jobs but that we have 20 million people TAKING jobs that 'no American would do' and then sending that money down to mexico. We incarcerate marijuana users. We give hundreds of billions a year out in free foreign assistance. We give billions to arts programs to create **** no one wants. We give billions to university students to study **** no one cares about.
Well then, he's another dumb ass war monger.
We need a good dictator.
We need a good dictator.
And waaaait a second... I thought they were talking about temporarily lowering the retirement age to get older workers out and let younger workers in to help drop the unemployment numbers? WTF happened with that idea? My dad was all sorts of excited. He's gonna WTF pissed if he has to wait until 70 to retire.
Careful...you will lose your secret mindless liberal decoder ring with talk like that! (and you probably already know it, but He has people reading this kind of stuff...)
I don't WANT to retire in ten more years. I'd feel like I was being put out to pasture and I would be without one of my main sources of personal satisfaction.
Anybody want to claim dibs on mine?
Sure...if they pass immigration reform I can always use another gardener...
Reminds me of a John Wayne story. Somebody asked John Wayne, once, why he hired a Japanese gardener. Wayne replied, "Because I make him surrender every morning"
Back to the main point though:
Social Security doesn't have enough money. Assuming we're not going to get rid of it, the choices are:
(a) raise the retirement age;
(b) limit who gets it and how much; and/or
(c) raise taxes.
I prefer a and b myself.
The rich pay far more of the overall tax burden than do the middle income or unemployed. Social Security isnt meant to be a charity system...it was created to be an emergency parachute retirement system in the worst of times. Because of peoples reliance on the government it has become for many their ONLY retirement plan. But since it is money involuntarily taken from them by the fed, at the very least the rich have every right to the money they have paid in.
Well, we got to do something. The SS system as-is is going to bankrupt not only itself, but (along with all the other social spending) the entire country.
Moving retirement age to 70 would be one of the less-painful and more-reasonable methods of cutting the cost a bit.
I think, though, that an exemption might be allowed for those in their 60's with medical conditions that make it nearly impossible for them to work.
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