Boehner tells GOP he’s through negotiating one-on-one with Obama
Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) is signaling that at least one thing will change about his leadership during the 113th Congress: he’s telling Republicans he is done with private, one-on-one negotiations with President Obama.
During both 2011 and 2012, the Speaker spent weeks shuttling between the Capitol and the White House for meetings with the president in hope of striking a grand bargain on the deficit.
Those efforts ended in failure, leaving Boehner feeling burned by Obama and, at times, isolated within his conference.
In closed-door meetings since leaving the “fiscal cliff” talks two weeks ago, lawmakers and aides say the Speaker has indicated he is abandoning that approach for good and will return fully to the normal legislative process in 2013 — seeking to pass bills through the House that can then be adopted, amended or reconciled by the Senate.
"He is recommitting himself and the House to what we've done, which is working through regular order and letting the House work its will,” an aide to the Speaker told The Hill.
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In my opinion, the lawmakers have always worked with a sitting President during budget talks. Boehner is just trying to wash his sins away by telling his constituents that he is going back to the way he should have been to begin with. I don't think it's going to work, the damage has already been done and the stain will not wash out. :spank:FINALLY!!
In my opinion, this was Boehner's biggest mistake.
We have a legislative process in government and the President has no direct role except to provide leadership (ie, direction) and to either sign or veto whatever legislation comes to his desk.
FINALLY!!
In my opinion, this was Boehner's biggest mistake.
We have a legislative process in government and the President has no direct role except to provide leadership (ie, direction) and to either sign or veto whatever legislation comes to his desk.
FINALLY!!
In what way did the aforementioned meetings with Boehner betray this role?We have a legislative process in government and the President has no direct role except to provide leadership (ie, direction) and to either sign or veto whatever legislation comes to his desk.
FINALLY!!
In my opinion, this was Boehner's biggest mistake.
We have a legislative process in government and the President has no direct role except to provide leadership (ie, direction) and to either sign or veto whatever legislation comes to his desk.
Boehner has two options:
- Negotiate in private
- Negotiate in public
If he is determined not to do the first any more... then he must do the second. So Boehner is telling us that (for example), he is going to tell the world what he wants in exchange for raising the debt ceiling. If Obama has half a brain (and whether you like him or not, you probably agree that he actually has a pretty GOOD brain), he will take Boehner's vow to negotiate in public very seriously and very literally:
Obama: "OK, John. I understand you want budget cuts, and that you intend to negotiate in public. Why don't you start this process by telling me -- and the American public -- exactly what those cuts are?"
Boehner: "Um... er... uh..." The problem here, of course, is that Boehner wants cuts to Socail Security and Medicare, but knows that the American public will destroy any politician who says any such thing.
Obama: "All right, then, John... since you seem unable to name any cuts you want, why don't you just ask your caucus to do what you've promised to do yourself? Why don't you ask your caucus to go public with their ideas for budget cuts?"
Boehner: "Um... er... uh..." The problem this time is that there are in fact dozens of Tea Party Representatives who would be quite happy to go on camera and say that they want SS and Medicare slashed... even eliminated altogether. And Mr Boehner knows that if even a few of them shoot their mouths off like that, the Republican Party as a whole will suffer the ire of the voters...
Nope. Boehner was foolish enough to ask for another term as Speaker... so now he's stuck with making the best back-room deals he can with a President who knows the Speaker cannot control his caucus.
Good luck, Mr Speaker! :lamo
FINALLY!!
In my opinion, this was Boehner's biggest mistake.
We have a legislative process in government and the President has no direct role except to provide leadership (ie, direction) and to either sign or veto whatever legislation comes to his desk.
Agreed. Bainish guyuk! (Not sure of the linguistic derivation but I've heard it used in Northern Minnesota. It translates to "Daylight in the swamp!" but I'm also told you have to be careful who you say it to.)
Let's hope the Republicans grow a pair and stand tall when the debt limit crisis comes around again in a couple of months.
Yeah, nobody stands taller than when they refuse to pay debts that they helped incur. It's a brilliant strategy.
Then it will be funny to see how he backs that car down the driveway without hitting in to other GOP lawmakers' cars, because they did not expect him to move, so they parked behind him.Boehner has two options:
- Negotiate in private
- Negotiate in public
If he is determined not to do the first any more... then he must do the second. So Boehner is telling us that (for example), he is going to tell the world what he wants in exchange for raising the debt ceiling. If Obama has half a brain (and whether you like him or not, you probably agree that he actually has a pretty GOOD brain), he will take Boehner's vow to negotiate in public very seriously and very literally:
Obama: "OK, John. I understand you want budget cuts, and that you intend to negotiate in public. Why don't you start this process by telling me -- and the American public -- exactly what those cuts are?"
Boehner: "Um... er... uh..." The problem here, of course, is that Boehner wants cuts to Socail Security and Medicare, but knows that the American public will destroy any politician who says any such thing.
Obama: "All right, then, John... since you seem unable to name any cuts you want, why don't you just ask your caucus to do what you've promised to do yourself? Why don't you ask your caucus to go public with their ideas for budget cuts?"
Boehner: "Um... er... uh..." The problem this time is that there are in fact dozens of Tea Party Representatives who would be quite happy to go on camera and say that they want SS and Medicare slashed... even eliminated altogether. And Mr Boehner knows that if even a few of them shoot their mouths off like that, the Republican Party as a whole will suffer the ire of the voters...
Nope. Boehner was foolish enough to ask for another term as Speaker... so now he's stuck with making the best back-room deals he can with a President who knows the Speaker cannot control his caucus.
Good luck, Mr Speaker! :lamo
Boner saying he's done implies that he actually ever really negotiated with the President in the first place. He didn't. He couldn't, because he can't even control his own caucus. Remember Plan B?
This is hilarious stuff.
What would be the point of any further negotiations with Boehner about anything? It was a complete waste of time for Obama. Boehner can only deliver 1 vote, his.
What would be the point of any further negotiations with Boehner about anything? It was a complete waste of time for Obama. Boehner can only deliver 1 vote, his.
Then it will be funny to see how he backs that car down the driveway without hitting in to other GOP lawmakers' cars, because they did not expect him to move, so they parked behind him.
In my opinion, the lawmakers have always worked with a sitting President during budget talks. Boehner is just trying to wash his sins away by telling his constituents that he is going back to the way he should have been to begin with. I don't think it's going to work, the damage has already been done and the stain will not wash out. :spank:
Working with the sitting President is very different than working with Congress. What we've seen lately is Congress, as a whole, being shut out. Representatives and Senators have had absolutely no say in important legislation...except to accept or reject whatever Boehner and Obama have come up with.
I welcome the return to our legislators actually constructing the law.
For sure.
That's why Boehner is cutting Obama out of the loop.
Boehner has two options:
- Negotiate in private
- Negotiate in public
If he is determined not to do the first any more... then he must do the second. So Boehner is telling us that (for example), he is going to tell the world what he wants in exchange for raising the debt ceiling. If Obama has half a brain (and whether you like him or not, you probably agree that he actually has a pretty GOOD brain), he will take Boehner's vow to negotiate in public very seriously and very literally:
Obama: "OK, John. I understand you want budget cuts, and that you intend to negotiate in public. Why don't you start this process by telling me -- and the American public -- exactly what those cuts are?"
Boehner: "Um... er... uh..." The problem here, of course, is that Boehner wants cuts to Socail Security and Medicare, but knows that the American public will destroy any politician who says any such thing.
Obama: "All right, then, John... since you seem unable to name any cuts you want, why don't you just ask your caucus to do what you've promised to do yourself? Why don't you ask your caucus to go public with their ideas for budget cuts?"
Boehner: "Um... er... uh..." The problem this time is that there are in fact dozens of Tea Party Representatives who would be quite happy to go on camera and say that they want SS and Medicare slashed... even eliminated altogether. And Mr Boehner knows that if even a few of them shoot their mouths off like that, the Republican Party as a whole will suffer the ire of the voters...
Nope. Boehner was foolish enough to ask for another term as Speaker... so now he's stuck with making the best back-room deals he can with a President who knows the Speaker cannot control his caucus.
Good luck, Mr Speaker! :lamo
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