Bob Johnson echoes Ferraro, says Obama wouldn't be where he is if he were white

[Gipper]

If you want privacy, get the hell off the internet.

It'd be stupid to come on here, enter a thread, and go "I'm voting for Obama. Bye."

Enter another thread: "I support welfare. Bye."

Enter another thread: "Biofuels are bad. Bye."

It's not the same as walking up to someone on the street and start asking them a bunch of personal stuff. On a political site, your politics are up for debate. If you don't want to debate them, there's the door.

 

[Dr_Patrick]

If you want privacy, get the hell off the internet.

It'd be stupid to come on here, enter a thread, and go "I'm voting for Obama. Bye."

Enter another thread: "I support welfare. Bye."

Enter another thread: "Biofuels are bad. Bye."

It's not the same as walking up to someone on the street and start asking them a bunch of personal stuff. On a political site, your politics are up for debate. If you don't want to debate them, there's the door.

Obviously you are missing my point. Debating political views is one thing, but it's really none of your business what a person's reasons are for voting who they are voting for. If a person wants to share that information it's one thing, but it's incredibly arrogant of you or anyone to assume or judge anyone's reasons for voting for whomever they are voting for. This has nothing to with political sides, I think this goes for anyone regardless of who they are voting for.

 

[Gipper]

Protestor: Why do you hate black people so much?

Klansman: I don't have to defend myself to you!

 

[Dr_Patrick]

Protestor: Why do you hate black people so much?

Klansman: I don't have to defend myself to you!

There's nothing like trying out absurd comparisons when you've run out of things to defend your personal viewpoint.

 

[azura28]

I agree. If Obama was white and Clinton male they would not have received the media attention they did and thus not received the votes they did. The Democratic Party may have then had the best candidate we could have had instead of the most news worthy. Of course I would not trade having a black and female candidate for the possible best candidate if it means all the candidates must be white males.

The Democratic party is taking a possible hit in political quality so the nation can take a leap forward in social equality. The sacrifices we make for the betterment of this nation.

:rofl Very witty

 

[azura28]

And you are parroting what right wing news people had to say about it. Can you prove to me other than your parroting talking points that he really did mean it in an insulting way? Did you grow up in a small town? If you did, you would know that what he was saying was dead on.

Actually the ones living in the small towns in PA are the ones taking exception to Barack's remarks. The areas like Philly have no problem with it.

 

[Dr_Patrick]

Actually the ones living in the small towns in PA are the ones taking exception to Barack's remarks. The areas like Philly have no problem with it.

I'm sure there are a wide array of opinions from people about his comments regardless of where they are from.

 

[Gipper]

There's nothing like trying out absurd comparisons when you've run out of things to defend your personal viewpoint.

It's not an "absurd comparison". If you're a Klansman, a cult that prides itself on white power and the hatred of black people and you're asked why you hate black people, you should be prepared to answer. If you're on a political debate site and you make a political statement/claim, you should be prepared to defend it. That's the purpose of this place.

She has the right not to defend her claim honestly...and I have the right to ridicule her for it.

 

[cascadian]

His recent comments, and the comments of his closest associates lead many to believe that he is a phony as well.

We're talking about the perceptions of the people that like him.

Oh come on. The talk of the town is how he has a great chance of becoming the first Black President. This argument has no merit.

Hillary has a chance to become the first woman president. SWF?

If you want to say that blacks are highly inclined to vote for him. Fine. But that doesn't explain why he has been so much more successful than Jesse Jackson at attracting non-black voters.

Wright is his mentor. The man has repeatedly slammed America from a governmental and racial aspect.

There are a lot of people who feel blowing entire cities full of civilians up is a bad thing. I have a problem with Hiroshima and Nagasaki myself. This has nothing to do with Obama being black.

Are we really racist? Really, compare us to the rest of the world. Do you know anybody who has been turned down for a job lately because of their race? Do you personally know any black person who was beaten for being black? I don't,

Which almost begs the question: how many black people do you know? You have to wonder if that's any kind of representative sample you're drawing from. I mean hell, is someone actually going to say ,"We'd give you this job but you're... well, black" LOL! I have seen a lot of racists in my time. I've been personally intimidated by people with guns. I've also known a lot of people, who don't think they are racist, but discriminate quietly anyway.

Do you have any idea what percentage of US black men have been or are in prison? Why do you think that is?

If you truly believe we are still a racist country than maybe you are motivated by your own guilt.

Racist country is different from a country where racism is a problem. We have problems with race relations in the US. If you deny that that you are motivated by your own guilt.:roll:

Wrong. I know some of his supporters agree with the likes of Wright, and Michelle Obama, but those folks are lost anyways. I'm hoping that the sane part of the electorate will wake up and see that what Obama's associates are bantering about does matter. I also hope they break away from the infatuation with a "black president."

I don't think you have any opinion polls to back up these assertions. You're speculating as it suits you.

 

[Dr_Patrick]

It's not an "absurd comparison". If you're a Klansman, a cult that prides itself on white power and the hatred of black people and you're asked why you hate black people, you should be prepared to answer. If you're on a political debate site and you make a political statement/claim, you should be prepared to defend it. That's the purpose of this place.

She has the right not to defend her claim honestly...and I have the right to ridicule her for it.

Are you even reading what I've been posting? I said that I see no problem in debating personal political views. However, when it comes to which candidate people are voting for and their reasons behind it, it is really none of your business. It's even worse to arrogantly assume to know what people's reasons are or to assume that people are only voting for Obama because he's black. Can you honestly not see what I'm talking about here?

 

[Caine]

NEVER Vs. In my adult life. Highly dishonest.

You have to think about the topic following these statements.....
I'll discuss more below.

What technicality? The use of NEVER vs. "For the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country."? Really? Alright Caine I'll play. Let's see the difference between these two sentences shall we?

A)I have never eaten an apple.

B)This is the first time in my adult life that I eat an apple.

Are they the same by any means? Considering you're so fond of noticing my "harping" of "technicalities" I'd be more then glad for you to point whether or not they are.

What you used worked out just perfectly, due to the topic, Apples.
Apples are eaten by children, and are eaten for the same reasons they are eaten by adults.

Children can state that they are "Proud" of their country. However, it is just a cute statement when coming from a child because they don't exactly know enough about their country, OR "pride" to make that connection.

Adults on the other hand should know about their country, and about pride. They are (should be) intelligently mature enough to know how to make the connection.

Thus, if it is the first time in her "adult life" that she has been proud of her country....
Its the first time in her life where she felt proud of her country, when she knew what it meant to be proud in her country, and wasn't just being cute or saying something that her parents wanted her to say.


What I am trying to figure out is what this has to do with anything. Its a minor word difference that you are making a big deal out of in order to avoid the real topic, Obama and those who surround him have an obvious lack of patriotism or love for our country.

Just because he is running for president doesn't mean he loves America. There are many people who do these sorts of things for their own lust for Power. I feel both Bush presidents were this way.

Well Caine, isn't that nice? When you're unable to read what a person actually says you just pretend like you do because all the others around you tell you thats what all those letters you can't decipher say. Tell me, is a reading comprehension test required for police officers? Obviously not. If I say "This is the first time I've ever been proud of my country" is it the same as saying "For the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country." - Come on Caine. You know that there is a crystal clear difference. Think of it this way :

I'm your commanding officer and I say "There are no bombs on the road ahead" is there a significant difference in saying "There are a few bombs on the road ahead". I'm pretty sure there is but then again I'm no soldier.

Now you are using an aspect of my personal life to create a diversion from the topic and personally attack me.

Good job.

 

[Dr_Patrick]

What I am trying to figure out is what this has to do with anything. Its a minor word difference that you are making a big deal out of in order to avoid the real topic, Obama and those who surround him have an obvious lack of patriotism or love for our country.

Just because he is running for president doesn't mean he loves America. There are many people who do these sorts of things for their own lust for Power. I feel both Bush presidents were this way.

Please provide proof to back up your assertion that Obama has an "obvious lack of patriotism or love for our country".

 

[Gibberish]

Please provide proof to back up your assertion that Obama has an "obvious lack of patriotism or love for our country".

Anyone who doesn't put his hand over his heart during the pledge of allegiance obviously hates America. Duh. :roll:

Personally I just see this all as name calling. Why exactly would anyone devote their life and every waking moment to public service if they didn't like this country? What benefit does Obama have of becoming President of the United States if he doesn't really care?

 

[Hatuey]

You have to think about the topic following these statements.....
I'll discuss more below.

What you used worked out just perfectly, due to the topic, Apples.
Apples are eaten by children, and are eaten for the same reasons they are eaten by adults.

Children can state that they are "Proud" of their country. However, it is just a cute statement when coming from a child because they don't exactly know enough about their country, OR "pride" to make that connection.

She said "adult" life. People in their teens know about U.S. history enough to know whether or not they are proud. Which as I point out again you're showing why your reading comprehension is an issue here. It has nothing to do with whether or not she liked the apples at all("Apples are eaten by children comment") - It has to do with whether or not she's actually eaten them. That's the argument here. And it's obvious that NEVER having eaten an apple is not the same as not having eaten one in your adult life.

Adults on the other hand should know about their country, and about pride. They are (should be) intelligently mature enough to know how to make the connection.

Thus, if it is the first time in her "adult life" that she has been proud of her country....
Its the first time in her life where she felt proud of her country, when she knew what it meant to be proud in her country, and wasn't just being cute or saying something that her parents wanted her to say.

Same as above.

What I am trying to figure out is what this has to do with anything. Its a minor word difference that you are making a big deal out of in order to avoid the real topic, Obama and those who surround him have an obvious lack of patriotism or love for our country.

Just because he is running for president doesn't mean he loves America. There are many people who do these sorts of things for their own lust for Power. I feel both Bush presidents were this way.

Caine the problem is that you don't realize the difference between "I've never been proud of my country" and "for the first time in my life I'm really proud of my country"

Now you are using an aspect of my personal life to create a diversion from the topic and personally attack me.

Good job.

Really? How so? If I told you "There are no bombs ahead" would it be the same as saying "There are a few bombs ahead"? If I told you there are "no drugs in that house" would it be the same as saying "there are some drugs in that house"? Apparently to you it would be.

 

[Caine]

Please provide proof to back up your assertion that Obama has an "obvious lack of patriotism or love for our country".

YouTube - Obama Disrespecting the Flag and US Anthem

 

[Dr_Patrick]

YouTube - Obama Disrespecting the Flag and US Anthem

So, to you, a person's Patriotism can be boiled down or summed up in a little gesture and whether or not they do it? Are you serious?

 

[Caine]

She said "adult" life. People in their teens know about U.S. history enough to know whether or not they are proud. Which as I point out again you're showing why your reading comprehension is an issue here. It has nothing to do with whether or not she liked the apples at all("Apples are eaten by children comment") - It has to do with whether or not she's actually eaten them. That's the argument here. And it's obvious that NEVER having eaten an apple is not the same as not having eaten one in your adult life.

Teens have a limited view of the world, and from what I have seen, are hardly mature enough to be considered adults.

But apparently you haven't quite grown out of that stage yet, as you haven't been out of your teenage years long at all huh?

Caine the problem is that you don't realize the difference between "I've never been proud of my country" and "for the first time in my life I'm really proud of my country"

The problem is that you don't reckognize the similarities, and how none of this **** matters any.

Diversion is all it is.
Its what you do best on the forum, personally attack people and divert issues with minor bullshit like "never" or "in my adult life".

Neither which make a damn bit of difference when looking at the broad issue.

But why do that when you can nitpick.

Really? How so?

Im not the only one who has noticed that you can't seem to make a reply to a message posted by me without finding a way to talk **** about police.

 

[Caine]

So, to you, a person's Patriotism can be boiled down or summed up in a little gesture and whether or not they do it? Are you serious?

This is just one example.

Im not going to educate you.

And apparently you lack the will to educate yourself.

Hold fast to your Church of Obama beads my liberal friend.

 

[Dr_Patrick]

This is just one example.

Im not going to educate you.

And apparently you lack the will to educate yourself.

Hold fast to your Church of Obama beads my liberal friend.

It's just one example of him not doing a simple gesture and you drawing conclusions that it must mean that he's not patriotic, which is an incredibly weak argument.

What I find ironic is that you accuse others of attacking you personally and then you resort to personal attacks yourself. It's kind of hypocritical, wouldn't you say? Although, judging by your arrogant attitude, you seem to know so much more than me.

Oh, and the moment you and your ilk come up with something legitimate to attack Obama on, I will be all ears. Until then, you can keep up your pathetic and weak smear attempts by taking quotes out of context or trying to equate the views of his friends or associates to him.

 

[Caine]

It's just one example of him not doing a simple gesture and you drawing conclusions that it must mean that he's not patriotic, which is an incredibly weak argument.

A soldier in the military would find it difficult to see their Commander in Chief show such disregard for the U.S. Flag and National Anthem when they required to pay respect to our national symbols. This is not leading by example.

I personally find it a spit in the face of those who fought and died for our national freedom.

What I find ironic is that you accuse others of attacking you personally and then you resort to personal attacks yourself. It's kind of hypocritical, wouldn't you say? Although, judging by your arrogant attitude, you seem to know so much more than me.

I didn't attack you. I stated my observation and your obvious lack of care to take into consideration anything negative about Obama. I call these people members of the church of Obama, in reference to the picture that some media outlets portray Obama "followers". Your posts have given me the impression that you are no different than these people. You being one of these "followers" is furthur evidenced in your bolded statement below.

Oh, and the moment you and your ilk come up with something legitimate to attack Obama on, I will be all ears. Until then, you can keep up your pathetic and weak smear attempts by taking quotes out of context or trying to equate the views of his friends or associates to him.

Me and my Ilk.

My "ilk" being anyone who does not like what they see about Obama.

Us "non-members" of the Church of Obama.
:roll:

 

[Thorgasm]

YouTube - Obama Disrespecting the Flag and US Anthem

Why hasn't Bush locked up this terrorist named Obama? :roll:

 

[jallman]

So, to you, a person's Patriotism can be boiled down or summed up in a little gesture and whether or not they do it? Are you serious?

I do believe that the president, or any contender for same title, should be mindful those "little gestures" which outwardly bolster and encourage his image as a servant to his government and his people. To do less rings of a lack of dedication and zealous loyalty to one's country and heritage. That kind of nonchalance over a simple salute is something that I simply will not abide in a person serving as the highest officer of the land and national military.

 

[Dr_Patrick]

A soldier in the military would find it difficult to see their Commander in Chief show such disregard for the U.S. Flag and National Anthem when they required to pay respect to our national symbols. This is not leading by example.

I personally find it a spit in the face of those who fought and died for our national freedom.

Again, I find it pathetic that to you a simple gesture is a measuring stick of someone's patriotism. If you want to use a weak argument to justify your disagreements with Obama, be my guest.

I didn't attack you. I stated my observation and your obvious lack of care to take into consideration anything negative about Obama. I call these people members of the church of Obama, in reference to the picture that some media outlets portray Obama "followers". Your posts have given me the impression that you are no different than these people. You being one of these "followers" is furthur evidenced in your bolded statement below.

Um...yeah you did. You implied that I needed to be educated and that was meant as both condescending and an insult. Just because there are people who support Obama and defend him against weak attacks like this doesn't mean that they are Obama "followers" or that they are in some kind of a "cult". The same could be said for people who support Hillary. I didn't know that the whole election time process was such new territory for you.

Me and my Ilk.

My "ilk" being anyone who does not like what they see about Obama.

Us "non-members" of the Church of Obama.
:roll:

Yes, you and your ilk. You and people like you who use weak arguments to attack Obama when you wouldn't even vote for him in the first place. What is there to debate? It's not like anyone is going to suddenly convince you that Obama is the guy that you should vote for. People have their own reasons for voting. What's even more pathetic is that you are trying to bait me with your stupid little "Church of Obama" comments. Does it bother you that much that I support Obama and disagree with your weak attempts at attacking him? Do you honestly think I give a rat's *** about your personal jabs? :roll:

 

[Dr_Patrick]

I do believe that the president, or any contender for same title, should be mindful those "little gestures" which outwardly bolster and encourage his image as a servant to his government and his people. To do less rings of a lack of dedication and zealous loyalty to one's country and heritage. That kind of nonchalance over a simple salute is something that I simply will not abide in a person serving as the highest officer of the land and national military.

Perhaps, but I don't think it can be accurately used as a measuring stick of his patriotism. That's an absurd notion.

 

[jallman]

Perhaps, but I don't think it can be accurately used as a measuring stick of his patriotism. That's an absurd notion.

No, and you notice, I didn't say that it was a measure of his personal feelings of patriotism. My issue is that he doesn't appear very mindful of the status of the office to which he is aspiring and the servitude to the nation that comes along with it.

I think it's because we come from two very different schools of thought though. It is my belief that a good leader is born of his desire to be a servant to his government and, in a democratic government, that means to the people by proxy. I would think that for one seeking to be the greatest servant, seizing any opportunity to show solidarity, respect, and subjugation for his nation would come as second nature and as natural as breathing.

That's a personal thing to me and I recognize that not all Americans share such an archaic notion of patriotism as I do.