Blue State Blues - They Can't Connect the Dots and Wealth and People Flee!

[Trumpetman]

Blue State are confronting a huge array or problems due to their leadership.

First the wealth is fleeing.

The great Northeast exodus — how high taxes are driving away billions

New York and New Jersey lost $140B in income as residents flee high taxes and costs.

nypost.com

These New York and New Jersey refugees have mostly relocated to the new powerhouse states like Florida, Texas and Tennessee. These moving vans explains why the Southeast is now, for the first time ever, the economically dominant region in the country.

Even more problematic for New York and New Jersey is that the movers are taking a lot of personal income and purchasing power with them. From 2012 to 2022, New York has lost $111 billion in income while Jersey is down by more than $31 billion.

Because the income is lost forever — except for the rare cases when the exiles move back — these income losses accumulate year after year.

When you see all the numbers for projections on government revenues, tax cuts, costs, etc. they use a ten year window.

Why are so many people leaving the Northeast?

A myriad of reasons — crime, cost of living, better job opportunities, warmer weather and, yes, to save money on taxes.

New York, New Jersey and California are the three biggest losers in the interstate migration sweepstakes, and they just happen to be the states with the highest state-local income tax add-ons. The big winner states like Florida and Texas have no income tax at all.

At some point taxing the "rich" ends up being everyone who then end up leaving.

This has some big ramifications for the next census and redistricting. This might even more true given the illegal immigration enforcement that Trump us doing.

Big Changes Ahead for Voting Maps After Next Census

New population estimates from the Census Bureau suggest sharp gains and losses that could reshape the country’s politics after 2030.

www.brennancenter.org

eanwhile, California and New York, which have seen significant population outflows this decade, are projected to lose four and two districts respectively. For California, this would be only the second time in its history it has lost representation (the first was this decade when the Golden State lost one seat).

Based on current data, Illinois, Minnesota, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, and Wisconsin would all see one-seat decreases.

That's an 11+ seat swing and could be even more if the next census is not done under a pandemic with blue states cheating.

However even with all these losses, the blue state still have even more issues and honestly can't stop punching themselves in their own faces.

Facing fuel shortages, California seeks a buyer for a retiring refinery to increase production

With a second refinery closing and possibly more to follow, Newsom may be forced to consider the possibility that petroleum might not be as dispensable or easily replaceable as he thought.

justthenews.com

California needs someone who wants to run at least one of the refineries that are being shut down. It seems like no one wants to invest and try to keep profitable an enterprise that the state declares it is going to regulate and legislate into oblivion.

Atlas isn't supposed to shrug.

In October, Phillips 66 announced it was closing down its Los Angeles-area refinery, which analysts say was the result of the state’s hostility toward its oil industry. Then in April, Valero announced it would cease operations at its San Francisco-area refinery in April 2026...........
There’s also the possibility that another refinery could shut down. Andy Walz, president of downstream, midstream and chemicals at Chevron, told a Fox affiliate in Los Angeles that the state’s regulators may want to be more cooperative with the oil industry.

“We’ve been in California for over 140 years. We are proud of what we’ve done, but I think it’s becoming quite acute. We will have decisions we will have to make going forward, and I am urging regulations and state politicians to really think carefully about how they try to maintain reliable suppliers like Chevron. We are in a bit of a tipping point,” he warned.

Hey who needs people to do dirty work at all? We can just get the fuel from all those other places. The labor can be illegal. The energy can be illegal. We just make illegal into legal and ignore the fact we are the cause of the problems seems to be the thinking of Libtard politicians.

Finally we have this last bit of fun.



Yes the change is coming and the Dumb-ocrats don't get it at all. They just keep throwing up their hands wondering why the world doesn't work as they command. People move. Wealth flees. Businesses close. They just double down again and again.

 

[dmpi]

I'm going to have to eventually flee WA state. They have a punitive estate tax that I want no part of. When trump passes the no capital gains tax on homes then you really going to see people flee by the tens of thousands. As wealthy people flee, what is left? Eventually the poor will take care of the poor... like that's going to happen.

 

[EnchantedMuggle]

LOLz

We're doing okay. And we retain plenty of wealth. Enough to carry 40% of the rest of the nation on our back.

How's your state doing?

 

[element94]

Blue State are confronting a huge array or problems due to their leadership.

First the wealth is fleeing.

The great Northeast exodus — how high taxes are driving away billions

New York and New Jersey lost $140B in income as residents flee high taxes and costs.

nypost.com

When you see all the numbers for projections on government revenues, tax cuts, costs, etc. they use a ten year window.



At some point taxing the "rich" ends up being everyone who then end up leaving.

This has some big ramifications for the next census and redistricting. This might even more true given the illegal immigration enforcement that Trump us doing.

Big Changes Ahead for Voting Maps After Next Census

New population estimates from the Census Bureau suggest sharp gains and losses that could reshape the country’s politics after 2030.

www.brennancenter.org

That's an 11+ seat swing and could be even more if the next census is not done under a pandemic with blue states cheating.

However even with all these losses, the blue state still have even more issues and honestly can't stop punching themselves in their own faces.

Facing fuel shortages, California seeks a buyer for a retiring refinery to increase production

With a second refinery closing and possibly more to follow, Newsom may be forced to consider the possibility that petroleum might not be as dispensable or easily replaceable as he thought.

justthenews.com

California needs someone who wants to run at least one of the refineries that are being shut down. It seems like no one wants to invest and try to keep profitable an enterprise that the state declares it is going to regulate and legislate into oblivion.

Atlas isn't supposed to shrug.



Hey who needs people to do dirty work at all? We can just get the fuel from all those other places. The labor can be illegal. The energy can be illegal. We just make illegal into legal and ignore the fact we are the cause of the problems seems to be the thinking of Libtard politicians.

Finally we have this last bit of fun.

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Yes the change is coming and the Dumb-ocrats don't get it at all. They just keep throwing up their hands wondering why the world doesn't work as they command. People move. Wealth flees. Businesses close. They just double down again and again.

 

[Cameron]

Blue urban areas are generally growing. The people moving from blue to red states primarily are moving to blue and purple counties.

It’s the red counties that are dying all across the country, economically and socially. I thought that’s why MAGA is so angry. Vance wrote a whole book about it. They should blame the republicans who have been in charge of those towns for decades and decades. But FoxNews can’t have that, so they turn you against migrants, trans people, and libs generally instead.

 

[EnchantedMuggle]

I'm going to have to eventually flee WA state.

Bye from the West Coast.

They have a punitive estate tax that I want no part of.

Bye from the West Coast.

When trump passes the no capital gains tax on homes then you really going to see people flee by the tens of thousands. As wealthy people flee,

Yeah, because wealthy people aren't willing to pay ridculous amounts to live in gorgeous exclusive beach towns or atop hills.

what is left?

Almost 40 million people, I think?

Eventually the poor will take care of the poor...

Are you talking about in all those impoverished southern states?

Is that happening yet?

like that's going to happen.

As noted above, apparently not. We are still seeing the poorest states just remain poor.

MAGA.


Pub voters who can't make it in the more desirable areas always hope the rest will go down with them. It's a bad look but there it is.

 

[Trumpetman]

We need to see that with relative poverty instead of just with income.

I just spoke to my friend in California and she is moving back to help her her elderly mother.

Her two bedroom townhouse had rent of $2800 a month.

If I make $1500 and you make $2000 I am poorer than you on pure income.

However if you spend $1000 a month on rent/mortgage and I spend $500 then I have more income to get through life.

 

[TobyOne]

Taxes and crime are the too biggest issues. People probably wouldn't mind a higher tax rate if they though it was benefiting them. Liberal governments can't even take care of basic government services. Once again, CA leads the nation in liberal futility. The only thing going for it is Prop 13 from the 70s and weather. And the Dodgers.

 

[SkyChief]

California is in dire straits. Our state has incompetent governance at all high levels - the governor is incompetent, most of our lawmakers (democrats) are incompetent, our representatives in Congress are corrupt - we have the highest aggrregate taxes in the nation, and for the very first time in California's history (est. 1850), the population DECREASED because millions of Californians have fled the state to escape the dipshittery of the governor and the remarkably ignorant lawmakers in Sacramento.

What a mess. It could take decades to restore California to her former glory. And it will take a republican or a libertarian. Democrats have demonstrated that they are incompetent and cannot be trusted in positions of power.

 

[Yakshi]

For decades, conservatives from low-income, high-poverty states have been gnashing their teeth into dust over the fact that California's economy eclipses that of every other country on the planet except for China, Japan, and Germany.

I love these threads because it is like watching them mentally snap in slow motion.

 

[Bok Tuklo]

I wish.

Property in Maine is ****ing expensive. Wish I could get the price per square foot I paid in Maine for my house here in Texas.

 

[Greenbeard]

Just need to crush the NIMBYs and build more housing.

 

[Bok Tuklo]

Just need to crush the NIMBYs and build more housing.

Have you priced a house in LA? It is insane. You can get a half ancre and a solid home in the city limits of large municipalities in Texas* for the same as some small ranch style in LA on a postage stamp.


*Offer void in Austin

 

[Greenbeard]

Have you priced a house in LA? It is insane. You can get a half ancre and a solid home in the city limits of large municipalities in Texas* for the same as some small ranch style in LA on a postage stamp.


*Offer void in Austin

I've got my own problems.

Median price for Greater Boston single-family homes surpass $1 million for the first time

The landmark figure marks a significant milestone in the region’s housing market and underscores the continued demand for homes in the region.

www.boston.com

 

[Bok Tuklo]

I've got my own problems.

Median price for Greater Boston single-family homes surpass $1 million for the first time

The landmark figure marks a significant milestone in the region’s housing market and underscores the continued demand for homes in the region.

www.boston.com

Taxachusetts!

Low crime rate, solid property values, some of the best public schools in the nation … don’t tell @TobyOne

 

[Luce]

If wealth is fleeing California, it is because they know they can get cheaper labor that doesn't talk back in any red state trailer park.

 

[EnchantedMuggle]

For decades, conservatives from low-income, high-poverty states have been gnashing their teeth into dust over the fact that California's economy eclipses that of every other country on the planet except for China, Japan, and Germany.

I love these threads because it is like watching them mentally snap in slow motion.

They hate us 'cause they ain't us.

On a more serious note, I've noticed the people who "hate" CA the most tend to fall into one of two categories:

1. People who just couldn't cut it out here.

2. People who are resentful that their states depend so much on blue states to survive.

 

[aociswundumho]

When trump passes the no capital gains tax on homes then you really going to see people flee by the tens of thousands.

That would be awesome, I'm really hoping for this to become a reality.

 

[aociswundumho]

From 2015 to 2024, New York has lost 2 million residents.

The problem with progressivism is you eventually run out of other people's money.

 

[Luce]

That would be awesome, I'm really hoping for this to become a reality.

What are the odds that will happen if it wasn't in the OBBB?

 

[aociswundumho]

There’s a warning sign that should be flashing. The place in America with the highest income tax is New York City. Now one of the leading candidates for mayor, Zohran Mamdani, wants to raise the tax on the rich by another 2 percentage points.

Great! I hope he wins and raises taxes on the rich as high as possible.

 

[aociswundumho]

What are the odds that will happen if it wasn't in the OBBB?

Idk, but Trump wants to stimulate the housing market, and he said if he can't get low interest rates, he may eliminate cap gains on primary residences.

 

[Luce]

Idk, but Trump wants to stimulate the housing market, and he said if he can't get low interest rates, he may eliminate cap gains on primary residences.

I hope he means he will urge congress to do this.

 

[aociswundumho]

I hope he means he will urge congress to do this.

He has to, he can't do it by EO.

 

[aociswundumho]

Facing fuel shortages, California seeks a buyer for a retiring refinery to increase production

With a second refinery closing and possibly more to follow, Newsom may be forced to consider the possibility that petroleum might not be as dispensable or easily replaceable as he thought.

justthenews.com

California needs someone who wants to run at least one of the refineries that are being shut down. It seems like no one wants to invest and try to keep profitable an enterprise that the state declares it is going to regulate and legislate into oblivion.

California is becoming the best argument against progressivism that's ever existed.

In October, Phillips 66 announced it was closing down its Los Angeles-area refinery, which analysts say was the result of the state’s hostility toward its oil industry. Then in April, Valero announced it would cease operations at its San Francisco-area refinery in April 2026.

Facing serious shortfalls of gasoline, jet fuel and diesel, the state is now hoping to broker a deal for a buyer to take over the Valero refinery, Reuters reported, so that it may keep the facility running. The California Energy Commission (CEC) wouldn’t confirm its engaging buyers directly, but it did confirm to Reuters that it’s trying to keep the facility open.

University of Southern California professor Michael Mische told Just the News that California Gov. Gavin Newsom, a Democrat, and the state’s legislature weren’t quite prepared for one refinery shutting down. With a second refinery closing and possibly more to follow, the state may be starting to consider the possibility that petroleum might not be as dispensable as they thought. The state's Assembly has been in Democratic hands since 1970, and the Senate has been under Democratic control since 1975.

I hope they all shut down and leave the state.