Blame it all on New York City

[Bullseye]

Hate to inform you of this...
BUT our federal government led by our Commander in Chief is in charge of Homeland Security, international threats to Americans, and responsible for working with
the World Health Organization. It is not the responsibility of any governor, mayor, or state medical officer.

After the 2016 election results, the Obama Admin prepped the incoming Trump Admin team on America's existing prepared plan for dealing with a global pandemic.

Evidently, all that work by medical and infectious disease experts which filled a 60+ page document, fell on deaf ears.
That information was gathered to protect American lives. BUt it was ignored. Trump was too busy tweeting to pay any attention to it.

80,000 dead and counting.

What's your point. Not sure WHAT you think the Obama administration did to "prep" the incoming administration but what the did do was allow critical stores of medical equipment necessary to deal with a pandemic to go understocked. If that "plan" was at all useful I suspect the appropriate branches of government would have acted on it without waiting for Trump to order it. After all, he order the CDC the first week of January to contact their Chinese counterparts and to set up a meeting and to offer assistance.

 

[Bullseye]

New York didn't have the intel that POTUS had. He owns it.

What intel? They couldn't see the numbers of cases and deaths exploding? They need the feds to tell them were was a problem.

 

[eohrnberger]

Trump supporters should be willing to look at the facts.
To ignore what actually has taken place is madness.
I liked Seinfeld very much. But 80,000 dead and counting is NOT yadda, yadda. Trump. It is simply the greatest tragedy in my lifetime.
But to have morons who must at all cost protect their political point of view by defending this incompetent president is more than I can take.

I guess you simply want to skip these facts because they are 'inconvenient'.

Political hack.

 

[PIPEWRENCH]

It almost makes sense, except teens are proving usually more responsible than adults. And the little ones, much more serious and circumspect about all this. As I walk out the door, the youngest grandkids remind me "Don't forget your mask."

I think it has to do with how they are taught. I did service work for decades. I would go from house to house fixing plumbing problems. Sometimes 5 or more a day. It is amazing how different people are. I would go to one house and the dog would not stop barking scratching the door doing all kinds of damage and will not listen at all. The next house has the same breed dog but it immediately stops barking when told and is sitting quietly off to the side watching. I go to a house and the kids are screaming and jumping around wild and constantly interrupting the mother trying to talk to me. I go in the next house and a child is sitting reading while the other is playing the piano and the parent is never interrupted while talking to me.

I remember the first time I yelled no to my nephew who was 4 and he stopped dead and started crying. My brother looked at me and said you don't have to yell he listens. And the child does. My brother is adamant that he will stop what he is doing and work with the child not just yell or hit like our dad did. My brother said if he has to yell and scream at his child then he has failed as parent.

 

[eohrnberger]

Trump supporters should be willing to look at the facts.
To ignore what actually has taken place is madness.
I liked Seinfeld very much. But 80,000 dead and counting is NOT yadda, yadda. Trump. It is simply the greatest tragedy in my lifetime.
But to have morons who must at all cost protect their political point of view by defending this incompetent president is more than I can take.

Here's a few more 'inconvenient' facts for you.

Coronavirus spreads in a New York nursing home forced to ...
[url]www.nbcnews.com › news › us-news › coronavirus-spr...[/URL]
Apr 25, 2020 - New York ordered nursing homes to accept COVID-19 patients discharged from hospitals. ... Andrew Cuomo has openly criticized facilities for opposing it. ... Many elderly residents are unable to comply with basic infection ...

Nursing Homes in Some States Told to Take Patients Infected ...
[url]www.nytimes.com › nursing-homes-coronavirus[/URL]
Apr 24, 2020 - 'Playing Russian Roulette': Nursing Homes Told to Take the Infected ... New York have made nursing homes accept Covid-19 patients from hospitals. ... Andrew M. Cuomo of New York described nursing homes as a “feeding ...

Cuomo to blame for COVID spreading through nursing home ...
nypost.com › 2020/04/28 › more-blood-on-gov-cuom...
4 days ago - Cuomo was asked a question about nursing homes. ... decreed that nursing homes and rehab centers could not use a positive COVID-19 test as the ... only underscores the mistake of ordering them to take infected patients.
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[SkyFox76]

What's your point. Not sure WHAT you think the Obama administration did to "prep" the incoming administration but what the did do was allow critical stores of medical equipment necessary to deal with a pandemic to go understocked. If that "plan" was at all useful I suspect the appropriate branches of government would have acted on it without waiting for Trump to order it. After all, he order the CDC the first week of January to contact their Chinese counterparts and to set up a meeting and to offer assistance.

It shouldn't matter if the only stockpiling there was a Q tip, Kleenex and band-aid. Trump had three years to work on filling it. And according to him he did. Not only once but twice.

 

[Bullseye]

It shouldn't matter if the only stockpiling there was a Q tip, Kleenex and band-aid. Trump had three years to work on filling it. And according to him he did. Not only once but twice.

If he had you guys would have screamed about him "exploding the deficit".

 

[SkyFox76]

If he had you guys would have screamed about him "exploding the deficit".

Weak response. He says he did, so was he lying? I think what's obvious is he was so caught up blaming the previous administration (over his own pathetic actions) that when asked why hadn't he taken care of it, he realized he'd left himself open and instead of giving an intelligent response like "well we've been working on it" he instead makes himself look even more incompetent by flipping it around to say it had been filled twice.

It's right up there with his claims the previous administration gave him faulty testing kits. Why on earth would the Obama administration have testing kits for something that didn't exist?? But his followers don't even blink at stupid comments like that. They just nod their heads and say yup.

 

[Bullseye]

Weak response. He says he did, so was he lying?

I don't recall and don't really care at this point.

I think what's obvious is he was so caught up blaming the previous administration (over his own pathetic actions) that when asked why hadn't he taken care of it, he realized he'd left himself open and instead of giving an intelligent response like "well we've been working on it" he instead makes himself look even more incompetent by flipping it around to say it had been filled twice.

Are you saying the previous administration DID restock the reserve?

It's right up there with his claims the previous administration gave him faulty testing kits. Why on earth would the Obama administration have testing kits for something that didn't exist?? But his followers don't even blink at stupid comments like that. They just nod their heads and say yup.

Yeah, whatever. Find someone else to bitch to.

 

[OldFatGuy]

I remember the first time I yelled no to my nephew who was 4 and he stopped dead and started crying. My brother looked at me and said you don't have to yell he listens. And the child does. My brother is adamant that he will stop what he is doing and work with the child not just yell or hit like our dad did. My brother said if he has to yell and scream at his child then he has failed as parent.

If I scream at my grandkids, they laugh and scream back. It becomes a contest of who can scream the loudest, and I usually lose. I never expect children to be quiet, unless there is real trouble brewing. We do teach them, or try to, the difference between asking questions, time for being heard and being rude, the timing of speaking out. They take pride in getting it right. Plus they beat each other up enough so I do not have to bother. When I was a kid, I feared my older sisters, not my brothers or parents. This latest generation is no different. The girls are downright vicious.

I have twin 7 year old grandsons, who often are a handful. They ignore their older brothers unless they want something or to do something with them. Their two older sisters say one word, and they come to complete attention with fear in their eyes. :lamo

 

[Moonglow]

Get ready for all the Trump did it, and the chronic nuh-uhs.

Trump is from NYC so he probably did with collusion from his buddies, the Chinese...

 

[jmotivator]

I'm willing to lump the good and the bad on him. Just as California did well, New York did awful. Trump was the same, so maybe the difference lies in the state leadership.

He didn't have a different set of advisories for each state, so the fault or credit falls on the states. They are the difference from state to state, not Trump.

 

[OldFatGuy]

Here's a few more 'inconvenient' facts for you.

Two problems, Cuomo has reversed his decision requiring hospitals to return elderly Covid 19 patients back to their nursing homes.

Unfortunately, most older people in nursing homes are there to die. Just biding their time left, often laden with indignity and humiliation, boredom and disconnect from reality, barely going through the motions. Sad to say, but a hastened death may be a welcome relief from the end life suffering.

I decided should I ever need nursing home care, I would stop taking the medications that keep my heart and kidneys functioning. Within a few days, having done so, I'll pass in my own bed with dignity, and hopefully unconscious before I pass. I see no purpose to living the life of a vegetable.

I watched my mother, completely paralyzed by a massive stroke, lay in a nursing home bed for two years. When we would visit we hoped she recognized her grandchildren who she loved dearly and who loved her. It was torture for her, a formerly vibrant active woman, and it was torture for all those who loved her. My sisters, surviving brother and myself, truly wished she had passed when she suffered that stroke from an aneurism.

Sending Covid 19 elderly patients for whom there is little or no hope of recovery back to the familiar facilities where they had been residing was not all that terrible if they were conscious and aware, and irrelevant if the weren't. There was nothing the hospital staffs could do to make their passing any easier. Death comes to us all, and few choose the when and how.

 

[SkyFox76]

I don't recall and don't really care at this point.

Are you saying the previous administration DID restock the reserve?
Yeah, whatever. Find someone else to bitch to.

What's your deal man? You posted a comment about the stockpile being empty and I replied on what claims have been made by Trump. Suddenly you don't care. And no I'm not say the previous administration had it restocked. I'm pretty sure there have been people from back then that have agreed it was low. That has zero to do with three years later and Trump saying he filled it. Twice!

Go get some fresh air, responding isn't bitching.

 

[eohrnberger]

Two problems, Cuomo has reversed his decision requiring hospitals to return elderly Covid 19 patients back to their nursing homes.

Unfortunately the damage and death had already been done.

Unfortunately, most older people in nursing homes are there to die. Just biding their time left, often laden with indignity and humiliation, boredom and disconnect from reality, barely going through the motions. Sad to say, but a hastened death may be a welcome relief from the end life suffering.

Unless of course you are part of the political elite.

Andrew Cuomo: 'My mother is not expendable'

I decided should I ever need nursing home care, I would stop taking the medications that keep my heart and kidneys functioning. Within a few days, having done so, I'll pass in my own bed with dignity, and hopefully unconscious before I pass. I see no purpose to living the life of a vegetable.

If that's your choice, so be it. I believe you should be left in peace to make it that choice.

I watched my mother, completely paralyzed by a massive stroke, lay in a nursing home bed for two years. When we would visit we hoped she recognized her grandchildren who she loved dearly and who loved her. It was torture for her, a formerly vibrant active woman, and it was torture for all those who loved her. My sisters, surviving brother and myself, truly wished she had passed when she suffered that stroke from an aneurism.

Sending Covid 19 elderly patients for whom there is little or no hope of recovery back to the familiar facilities where they had been residing was not all that terrible if they were conscious and aware, and irrelevant if the weren't. There was nothing the hospital staffs could do to make their passing any easier. Death comes to us all, and few choose the when and how.

All this doesn't really address the issue with Cuomo and the public policy he instituted.

But even then, I still only blame Cuomo for his public policy decision. 66% of New York state coronavirus hospitalizations are people staying at HOME

 

[ReubenSherr]

Not sure if this has been brought up in this thread, but there's a lot of evidence now that UV light fights the virus, not completely, but weakens it, and all these New Yorkers were stuck outdoors between skyscrapers in mixed weather conditions, and even spending a lot of time underground in subways - DeBlasio should address this, and maybe open up park areas, encourage people to drive upstate periodically, etc.

San Francisco relies just as much as NYC on public transportation, but most subway lines aren't underground

 

[Metric Mouse]

the bribes are being taken by Trump - "kiss my ass" has loads of potential meanings

So Deblasio has no excuse! He's just a monster who has killed thousands of people with his actions and choices.

 

[Paradoxical]

We have been hammered here in the Metro NYC area.
But I wouldn't be surprised if future detective work links the Covid-19 spread also emanating from the other US cities with international airports that
the US Dept of Homeland Security funneled all international incoming flights originating in China, Europe and eventually the UK.
Prior to the surge in US infections Homeland Security ordered all international flights from those regions to land in 13 US airports.
JFK and Newark serve the NYC region. Other airports are located in Boston, Atlanta, Dallas-Fort Worth, LA, San Fran, Seattle, Miami, Chicago, Detroit, DC and Hawaii.
With the exception of Hawaii, the other regions have all seen relatively high infection rates.

The virus didn't just get here in February. It was here starting sometime after November the 17th. From 11-17 to January 31st there were upwards of a half million people that came here from Wuhan and all over China. It is a mistake to think that it somehow only "got here' when we knew about it. It was here and infecting and even killing people and we didn't know it was COVID-19. This is why there are so many people who got it and are fine and have immunity.

 

[PIPEWRENCH]

If I scream at my grandkids, they laugh and scream back. It becomes a contest of who can scream the loudest, and I usually lose. I never expect children to be quiet, unless there is real trouble brewing. We do teach them, or try to, the difference between asking questions, time for being heard and being rude, the timing of speaking out. They take pride in getting it right. Plus they beat each other up enough so I do not have to bother. When I was a kid, I feared my older sisters, not my brothers or parents. This latest generation is no different. The girls are downright vicious.

I have twin 7 year old grandsons, who often are a handful. They ignore their older brothers unless they want something or to do something with them. Their two older sisters say one word, and they come to complete attention with fear in their eyes. :lamo

You are going to have different kids. That is what makes it a challenge. I think that genetics play a role as well as upbringing.

 

[OldFatGuy]

66% of New York state coronavirus hospitalizations are people staying at HOME

Included in that number are those from nursing homes, and the original statement was "66% of new ..."

How many NY nursing homes have you personally visited? Sweeping statements should have some personal experience underlying them, if not proofs, before being accepted.

 

[OldFatGuy]

You are going to have different kids. That is what makes it a challenge. I think that genetics play a role as well as upbringing.

I'm 71, no more kids for me. One great granddaughter so far. Those with my genes have troubles ahead. Fortunately, most look like my first wife. My older son and the twins look like me. All born with white hair and steel blue eyes with flecks of amber.

 

[Jay59]

Unfortunately the damage and death had already been done.

They try to deflect to Trump, but the numbers tell the story. It isn't a Democratic thing, though the idiot in Michigan would make you suspect so. This is on Cuomo and Deblasio.

Unless of course you are part of the political elite.

Forget the political part. Elite is sufficient.

If that's your choice, so be it. I believe you should be left in peace to make it that choice.

My wife has always said should never take chemotherapy. Fortunately, that has never been a choice we had to make.

All this doesn't really address the issue with Cuomo and the public policy he instituted. But even then, I still only blame Cuomo for his public policy decision. 66% of New York state coronavirus hospitalizations are people staying at HOME

Only 66% in the whole state. Ouch. There is also the spillover into New Jersey.

 

[ldsrptcvt]

I STARTED the conversation. The fact that a few Trump-deranged posters can't respond to any issue with out a "Yeah, but Trump . . ." response doesn't matter.

I am not telling a falsehood when I say Trump influenced the country when he played down the virus for weeks; it's an observation that I think played a part in state responses.

 

[ldsrptcvt]

why didn't Obama implement this plan in the 8 years he was there? The answer is that either he was so inept that in the entire 8 years he was there, he had no experts to guide him, or he knew he needed to take steps and didn't. Which one is it?

it took years to develop the plan; then the baton was passed to Trump and he dropped it. Plain and simple. In fact he spit on it and threw it away out of spite. "If Obama worked on it I won't touch it with a ten foot pole."

 

[Bullseye]

I am not telling a falsehood when I say Trump influenced the country when he played down the virus for weeks; it's an observation that I think played a part in state responses.

He "played down the virus for months"? On what planet. He took time during the State of the Union Speech to mention the threat. He didn't run around tearing his hair and screaming "we're all going to die". Like good leaders do he tried to bolster the people's confidence and security. That's all. You guys of courser were in the "scream and shout" camp.