Blacks: embrace education

[ecofarm]

You made a claim about me now back it up.

:screwy

 

[nota bene]

How many African Americans attended Trump U. Did his university reach out to black students, was financial assistance offerded at Trump U.

Oh wait, Trump U was a con, thats right.

What's been going on in education for quite some time now has nothing to do with Trump. Or Obama. Or Bush. Never mind that the current discussion isn't much about university education.

 

[nota bene]

Absolutely. They would have the support of the entire IEP team which includes administrators, school psychologist, social worker, nurse, teacher, special education teacher, etc. Great parents come to those meetings to ask questions and get help in any way they can. Way too many parents are "too busy" to come (even though they are scheduled around the parents' work schedule to ensure they can attend).

And parents who are "too busy" are across the socioeconomic spectrum in my own observation.

 

[Ignatius]

:screwy

Like I figured lazy and stupid

 

[ecofarm]

Like I figured lazy and stupid

Ya done gots me!




:screwy

 

[Ignatius]

Ya done gots me!




:screwy

I don't want you believe me. Lazy and stupid is not for me

 

[ecofarm]

Ewwww

 

[gino]

I taught for 27 years. I taught in 2 middle schools in predominantly black neighborhoods for a couple of years. What did I see? I saw that the poor black neighborhoods really had two groups of people. One group went to church and generally has comprised of good kids who tried in school. These kids did well, even though they came from humble beginnings. The other group was comprised of kids who didn't believe that school was a "way out". They fought the system and did not respect school. These kids did poorly in school. It really was a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Unfortunately, the kids who didn't respect school also ruined it for the kids who really tried. If you tried, you were an Uncle Tom and got a load of grief from the other black kids. My classes were generally 50% of each group. The "bad kids' largely ruined it for the "good kids" by being disruptive in class. Hard to teach when half the class just wants to "see the world burn".

 

[Aurora]

Because the OP is wildly racist or because the masses are not yet prepared for a Trump U education?

What are the reading and math and science skills at graduation for blacks?

 

[Fiddytree]

To the OP: Start with reading Frederick Douglass and the section where he discusses his love of reading and some of the problems he had with being allowed to read. Then find the parts where he talks about how difficult it was to gain access to reading materials and how much work he had to put in to gain access to reading materials.

Then think about how structural issues and problems can kind of, sort of, make it difficult to have people be able to read as comfortably as others.

Just a thought.

 

[Fiddytree]

Good point. Although great parents would try to find any means to get their child treatment.

Well...Josie, I can say that we can have mid-upper level bureaucrats in a related service field that are unable to get their children access to treatment and/or educational services due to them under federal law. Not to say that there are not lazy parents out there, because I've met them, but these bureaucracies are really intense on shifting administrative burden to the potential service user rather than the bureaucrat behind the desk.

Basically, in the work that I do, we have families moving through several state or local level bureaucracies, filling out paper work, only to get denied, before you have to appeal, you're scheduling several meetings for a family, spending several hours a day on the phone trying to work something out. In order to meet compliance with different service agencies, the amount of work any given parent is expected to do can put such strain to induce them to quit their jobs. This is especially so if schools continue to contact parents in an effort to have their student picked up or sit in for an impromptu meeting.

Just as teachers can face burnout, parents quickly face it, because of the level of interfacing they have to do without compensation, all the while trying to meet the expectations placed on them to parent or be an employee to provide for their families. We've had a number of families over the years become fatalist and say "no matter what I do, I can't get them help. So **** it. I'd rather we get some brief moments of happiness than keep fighting for nothing." Others, I've seen schools get upset that a single parent, who became homeless and just had a heart attack, was unable to go to a school meeting. And their kids (racial minorities) were starting to go into dire straits. Service providers weren't stepping up to the plate, and instead we had service providers use the government to punish them instead. Not that much longer, mom was dead, kids became wards of the state, and not long after that, their services fell apart and the kids got into drugs and....well, you can guess from there. Then, at worst, I'm sorry to say, we've had entire families decimated by suicide: either the kids or parents first...but entire families have been killed. All the while trying to get services and engaging in a fight with schools and/or mental health providers.

 

[Fiddytree]

Anyway, one of the times with the family who had mom die from heart problems. There was one time one of the kids was suicidal and we spent several hours trying to find a bed. Nadda across the whole state. Of course a lot of people would say it's a darn shame that we don't have beds available, and sure it is, but what people don't understand either is that there are no services available for kids up to that point either (which, since the 1960s was something the feds mandated to be created, and in 1999 was a federal requirement to be available to people before you put them in state hospitals). So, you know, there's nothing. And you have to fight and fight and fight your way to get a little bit of something--the something that your state government human service providers will tell your state legislature and the public is somehow in great abundance. We spent several hours trying to work something out. We finally were able to strike a deal with a hospital to allow the kid to sleep near mom (who would be in one of her final hospital stays), with hospital supervision.

So yeah, a lot of the "good parents" rhetoric, while meaningfully true, tends to be something we have to battle against.

 

[bomberfox]

What a paternal bit of horse****.

 

[Bodi]

I don't see this ending well for you.

In high school the gist of his message is pretty accurate... about them not embracing/appreciating education as much as others.

 

[Bodi]

I think the "anti-education mentality" has less to do with income and more to do with the family unit. Level of income should have no bearing on how a student performs. But, how stable and supportive the family unit is has a great impact on that IMO. I'm sure there are a number of educators posting here that could share some stories.

While technically this is accurate the fact is that income and support of the family generally directly correlate. The lower the income (economic status) the more likely that the parents are equally uneducated and consequently not willing or able to support education in the way that the student needs in order to do well.

 

[Jonsa]

There was this poor neighborhood in Los Angeles where all of the test scores were bad. Teachers were miserable, they thought it was there fault and everyone told them it was their fault. Then the Vietnamese War ended and Vietnamese flooded into the area filling the schools.

Suddenly, students were making As and winning state wide awards.

The teachers broke down in tears, it wasn't their fault. They were good teaches. It was the student who made the difference. If the student wanted to make As, there was nothing at the school stopping them.

So if black people want to get ahead, they should embrace education in the same way those Vietnamese students did. The Vietnamese student went on to the best colleges in the land, becoming all kinds of highly paid professionals.

The problem is that in many poor black communities, they don't value education. They even bully kids in their own neighborhoods who try to do well at school. They see education as effeminate.

So I'm picking on poor black communities because of the riots. There are poor white and poor Hispanic communities who have the same problem: they don't value education. Any of these communities would benefit by embracing education.

I had to speak in generalities to keep this short, but you get my drift.

Amazing that you are even aware that education or lack thereof is more strongly and directly tied directly to socio-economic conditions than to race. But I get how racists fail to consider such extraneous factors when attempting to justify their own bigotry. Its so much easier on the brain.

 

[Aurora]

Even among the same "family unit" there are kids that have done well and kids that have been disasters. While income shouldn't have a bearing, it does have a bearing.

It gets down to the kid making a choice in life. Do I better myself or do I follow stupid people. Use drugs, join a gang, drop out, get knocked up.