Black violent crime rate 3 times that of whitess

[Lycanthrope]

The reasons why are certainly complex, but the reality of the situation is that, relative to other demographic groups, many more blacks make decisions to not finish high school and begin having children while young and unmarried. Being uneducated and having one's ability to train for a career compete with caring for a young child is often a one-way ticket to poverty. These factors lead to poverty at the same rate regardless of race. It's just these factors exist in the black community at a much higher rate.

We agree that lack of education/opportunity for careers is a precipitant of future poverty.

Are many impoverished kids in substandard schools? Is public education belittled and disparaged in mainstream American culture? Is it harder for poor families to get their kids into private schools? Once in, is it harder for them to bear the costs of a private education? Given the above agreement, I'm inclined to think you'll agree on these points as well. So poverty is pernicious and often generational when poor kids do not have the resources/nutrition/support to "bootstrap it" as well as other kids.

As for teen birth rates - Native Americans, Pacific Islanders, and Hispanics are comparable to blacks - should we also ask what is it about their cultures that contribute to this, or is this an issue unique to blacks?

Teen birth rates are higher in Southern states than elsewhere in the country - should we ask what it is about Southern culture that contributes to this?

Teen birth rates are higher in rural areas - should we ask what it is about rural culture that contributes to this?

Conversely - what is it about suburban, middle upper class to wealthy families' culture such that they have higher rates of high school completion, college degrees, and fewer births across the board (meaning not just teens)?

As you say, poverty is a complex, multi-faceted issue. All the questuons above are necessary to explore, but the bigger question that allows fewer generalizations and dismissials: What is it about American culture and history that finds so many people struggling with poverty?

 

[Simpletruther]

THE BLACK COMMUNITY NEEDS BETTER LEADERS THAT ENCOURAGE MORALITY LMAOOOO

As the white community's POTUS is a serial adulterer, adjudicated rapist, pedo befriender and is blatantly assisting a mass genocide??

Whataboutism noted

 

[j brown's body]

That has to do with racist policies of the past still having an effect on our justice system.

People are much more comfortable evaluating society by judging people, which they see, instead of on policy, which they don't see but has much greater consequence.

Whites tend to judge all blacks based on the weaknesses of a subset, while they judge weak whites on an individual basis.

 

[Bighorn66]

60 years. Meanwhile, we have white families with hundreds of years of a head start. The generational wealth has barely begun to flow into black communities, whereas white communities have been accumulating generational wealth for centuries.

It often can take 5 generations to overcome poverty within the US.

Stuff like this always reminds me of my wife’s and my family’s situation.

My parents arrived in this country in 1962 with nothing. My dad worked in a fiberglass mfg plant and my mom worked in a garment factory. In her plant they had tiered pay system. Hispanics were at the bottom because of the language skills. No one spoke Spanish but there was plenty of Italian spoken. So she learned Italian. Eventually, they worked for him to go to college and they saved and He retired and they enjoy a very happy middle class life. Because of my head start relative to my parents, I am in a comfortable financial situation.

My wife’s family goes back to the Mayflower. Yet they are not very successful. Other than my wife, all of her biological siblings struggle.

 

[Gozaburo]

They are dysfunctional precisely because of the economic conditions they impose. Correct those conditions and they are no longer dysfunctional to society.

Wrong.

Can you show where an “aspirational class” has been created around being a single Mom?

I know single mothers…none of them ever WANTED to be in that situation.

They’re single mothers because quite frankly, a lot of men are just useless

When we start saying “we should create economic conditions which support single moms” that is an aspirational, progressive suggestion in favor of single motherhood.

And yeah, a lot of men are useless. It’s a shame so many women seem to gain that clarity in the post game press conference.

 

[Gozaburo]

I'm in a rural area. I do make well north of 6 figures.

I can only definitely speak for me. I don't care what color you are but don't bring gangs, drugs, and crime to my neighborhood, or I will care.

I don't disagree that for some small subset of the country it IS the color of skin, but I can guarantee you if the behaviors didn't follow, they would be welcomed whole sale by the other 99%

People tend to self segregate is my point. In schools, prisons, and neighborhoods.

Class is a factor, but crime, race, and the social fabric seem to be as influential if not more.

 

[hooligan]

I did read it. I'm taking your word that it is how it was meant.

Can you point where I made any claims about what "they" want? You can't, because I didn't. Again, my response was obviously in reference to a specific post and a specific poster.

You jumped to an unfounded conclusion.

 

[j brown's body]

People tend to self segregate is my point. In schools, prisons, and neighborhoods.

Class is a factor, but crime, race, and the social fabric seem to be as influential if not more.

Whites and blacks were separated by law. This suggests that they did not really see a difference between one another so the state had to create one.

 

[Cope]

It seems to me like you're kinda doing the same thing though. You're shifting the blame onto politicians and community leaders; as if it's really their fault that black communities are in the dumpster. It's not. Black communities have never been equal to the rest of the country; not once throughout our entire national history. It's always been like this. And the truth is, not enough people want that to change to make any meaningful difference.

Who do you blame for manipulation?

The manipulators, or the manipulated?

They both have some blame regarding that but the black community has the entirety of power to stop letting it happen.

 

[Gozaburo]

Whites and blacks were separated by law. This suggests that they did not really see a difference between one another so the state had to create one.

Actually I think the fact that whites enslaved blacks and used concepts like noblesse oblige to govern their continent suggests the complete opposite.

 

[Cope]

People tend to self segregate is my point. In schools, prisons, and neighborhoods.

Class is a factor, but crime, race, and the social fabric seem to be as influential if not more.

Class segregates itself.

If you cannot afford that neighborhood, you can't move to it. It is less a choice.
Crime, schools, and opportunities are the most useful metric to determine the influences (again, for me but I consider myself representative of a good majority of folks)
If color of skin wasn't associated with higher crime, school issues, baby having, would that skin color alone be enough to cause a panic over neighbors moving in?
I mean, I know a lot of white people I can't stand. I know some brown, black, other color people I can't stand either. It has nothing whatsoever to do with skin color and everything to do with behaviors exhibited by them.

 

[pedex]

Many studies on that topic too. All things being equal, black people receive harsher sentences than white people do with no justification other than racism.

They get disproportionately imprisoned because white people are more likely to get probation or similar sentences for the same crimes.

That doesn't explain why blacks are more likely to shoot and kill each other. Or a whole bunch of other behaviors.

 

[Gozaburo]

If color of skin wasn't associated with higher crime, school issues, baby having, would that skin color alone be enough to cause a panic over neighbors moving in?

But the perception is that it does. That's my point.

Class segregates itself.

Of course. What fraternize with plebs if you don't need to?

 

[Tettsuo]

Class segregates itself.

If you cannot afford that neighborhood, you can't move to it. It is less a choice.

The practice of redlining disagrees with you.

 

[Cope]

But the perception is that it does. That's my point.

Well, that is because it's true.
Change that truth and the perception can change. It can't happen in reverse.

Of course. What fraternize with plebs if you don't need to?

I'm not in that high a society yet so can't speak for that but my neighborhood is upper middle class, even though there isn't a whole lot of association with neighbors. What you can buy certainly affects class. I'd say house location is the biggest segregational tool there is, and that is by class (and that isn't a bad thing), not RACE

 

[Cope]

The practice of redlining disagrees with you.

I would welcome you to the 21st century but I think it might be lost in the whirlwind of excuses you'd attempt to put up.

 

[tshade]

Talk about lazy.

Just stay up there in your ignorance tower.
You make zero argument other than nuh uh. What 'reasons'?

how many do you want?

 

[dairyair]

The cincinati thing is a reminder of that.

The black community needs better leaders that encourage morality instead of victim hood.

Table 43

ucr.fbi.gov

Where's that crime rate in relation to income level?
I bet when that is the metric used, color of skin is irrelevant.

 

[tshade]

BS. Quit playing the victim card. It’s well overplayed

...while you play the "I take no responsibility card"...........adults gave that thinking up after age 10

 

[BirdinHand]

And yeah, a lot of men are useless. It’s a shame so many women seem to gain that clarity in the post game press conference

How about start holding those useless men to account rather than constantly blaming the women?

 

[Questerr]

That doesn't explain why blacks are more likely to shoot and kill each other. Or a whole bunch of other behaviors.

Italians living in immigrant ghettos in the early 20th century were also likely to kill each other.

Was it because Italians were inherently murderous?

 

[Gozaburo]

How about start holding those useless men to account rather than constantly blaming the women?

As far as I know, society does. Prisons, courts, wealth generation, etc.

Unless you're suggesting we don't go far enough and there needs to be some form of eugenic culling. I'd actually be open to hearing that argument.

 

[hooligan]

I would welcome you to the 21st century but I think it might be lost in the whirlwind of excuses you'd attempt to put up.

Modern-day redlining: Banks discriminate in lending

Mortgage data shows a troubling pattern of lending, even in major cities like Atlanta, Detroit, Philadelphia, St. Louis and San Antonio: Banks block African Americans and Latinos from getting loans.

revealnews.org

...This modern-day redlining persisted in 61 metro areas even when controlling for applicants’ income, loan amount and neighborhood, according to a mountain of Home Mortgage Disclosure Act records analyzed by Reveal from The Center for Investigative Reporting.

The yearlong analysis, based on 31 million records, relied on techniques used by leading academics, the Federal Reserve and Department of Justice to identify lending disparities.

It found a pattern of troubling denials for people of color across the country, including in major metropolitan areas such as Atlanta, Detroit, Philadelphia, St. Louis and San Antonio. African Americans faced the most resistance in Southern cities – Mobile, Alabama; Greenville, North Carolina; and Gainesville, Florida – and Latinos in Iowa City, Iowa...

 

[ataraxia]

Self inflicted. Black culture does it to themselves.

Sure. Post #222.

 

[Lycanthrope]

And yeah, a lot of men are useless. It’s a shame so many women seem to gain that clarity in the post game press conference.

What defect do you suppose women are handicapped by such that they are incapable of that clarity in the preseason?