Black violent crime rate 3 times that of whitess

[NatMorton]

You’re saying that like those few regulations on oligarchs is a good thing. Is it?

No, I'm saying your assertion is childishly absurd.

 

[Simpletruther]

They tried creating decent but separate communities. It didn't work. The killings and property destruction in the black towns of Greenwood in Tulsa, OK in 1921, Wilmington, NC in 1898 and many other decent, upstanding often prosperous Black communities was extensive, brutal and horrific. The term victim-hood is insulting. Blacks have been victims in the past and present. How about instead of condemning them of immorality and victim-hood we work together for community, friendship, tolerance and stop saying people are asking for special rights when they ask for equal rights.

Victims of what?

 

[Questerr]

But it is:

Single Parent Crime Statistics Statistics: Market Data Report 2025

Our in-depth Market Data Report about Single Parent Crime Statistics. Explore the latest data.

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It’s a truism as well that kids raised by a single parent on one income are going to be more likely to live in poverty:

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The Economic Status of Single Mothers

Original Center for American Progress analysis shows that single mothers in the United States face economic insecurity, including high poverty rates and low incomes, that could be alleviated by strengthening the social safety net and advancing policies to support women in the workforce.

www.americanprogress.org

So each problem—poverty and criminality—can be traced back to the same source: no daddy.

No they can’t. Because we could always have an economy where a mother could have a child and not be in poverty.

 

[Simpletruther]

Yes, poverty does, not skin color. Mind blowing that you dont know this.

I never claimed skin color did. They would be as stupid as saying poverty did.

 

[NatMorton]

The term victim-hood is insulting. Blacks have been victims in the past and present.

^^^ Um, who want to be the first to tell him?

 

[Gozaburo]

Poverty in America isn't only about race, and if whites are systematically orchestrating bad outcomes for minorities one might reasonably ask why they're systematically orchestrating themselves into second place.

And why do they continue to "orchestrate themselves into second place"?

If it's culture, then it is necessarily an upstream issue. Culture is informed by higher order categories.

 

[ataraxia]

No, I'm saying your assertion is childishly absurd.

What assertion? That oligarchs have massively outsized political voice in our country?

I still I’m curious to know if SOME regulations on these oligarchs are OK- or we should just let the free market take care of it all and it will all work out for the best?

 

[NatMorton]

And why do they continue to "orchestrate themselves into second place"?

If it's culture, then it is necessarily an upstream issue. Culture is informed by higher order categories.

What is an "upstream issue" in this context?

 

[NatMorton]

What assertion? That oligarchs have massively outsized political voice in our country?

I still I’m curious to know if SOME regulations on these oligarchs are OK- or we should just let the free market take care of it all and it will all work out for the best?

Post 123.

 

[Questerr]

This table was generated with Copilot (AI), but it matches similar tallies I've done with simple web searching over the years.

The table lists, by race, the average out-of-wedlock birth rates and median household income in the US. Take careful note of the inverse relationship between the two numeric columns:

	Out-of-Wedlock Birth Rate​	Median Household Income​
Asian​	12%​	$113,106​
White (Non-Hispanic)​	22%​	$83,784​
Hispanic​	52%​	$65,558​
Black​	69%​	$53,444​

Poverty in America isn't only about race, and if whites are systematically orchestrating bad outcomes for minorities one might reasonably ask why they're systematically orchestrating themselves into second place.

Because the largest growth in Asian income in America occurred after the systematical racial discrimination in America by whites was largely banned.

 

[Gozaburo]

What is an "upstream issue" in this context?

Could be a number of things depending on who you ask. Geography, discrimination, structural oppression, genetics, diet, etc.

 

[weaver2]

^^^ Um, who want to be the first to tell him?

I know the dictionary definition. That's not how it is being used today when referring to minorities and unless you live under a rock you know that also. Try the Urban Dictionary definition

Urban Dictionary: victimhood

victimhood: Noun. A coveted status sought after by liberals. Victimhood implies that one or more victims are due some form of [compensation] from one or more...

www.urbandictionary.com

 

[NatMorton]

Could be a number of things depending on who you ask. Geography, discrimination, structural oppression, genetics, diet, etc.

Then sorry, I really don't understand what point you were making in post 131.

 

[NatMorton]

I know the dictionary definition. That's not how it is being used today when referring to minorities and unless you live under a rock you know that also. Try the Urban Dictionary definition

Urban Dictionary: victimhood

victimhood: Noun. A coveted status sought after by liberals. Victimhood implies that one or more victims are due some form of [compensation] from one or more...

www.urbandictionary.com

Sorry, I speak English, not "Urban."

 

[Gozaburo]

Then sorry, I really don't understand what point you were making in post 131.

The point is calling it "culture" is addressing a symptom, not the cause.

Unless, of course, you're advocating for a pre-civil rights levels of Anglo-cultural chauvinism in the Sowellian sense. Even then, it's dubious whether or not this was actually effective in fostering success in the black community. Data is extremely limited.

 

[NatMorton]

The point is calling it "culture" is addressing a symptom, not the cause.

Ah, there we differ. I think culture matters most, and in 2025 it matters more than does today's level of racism.

 

[Gozaburo]

Ah, there we differ. I think culture matters most, and in 2025 it matters more than does today's level of racism.

Yeah and I'm saying the problem is that cultures aren't created in a vacuum. They're informed by history and created by a people.

The history of those people and their capabilities matter. You're looking at the blueprints of a building and starting construction without any concern of what materials and labor are to be used.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

The cincinati thing is a reminder of that.

The black community needs better leaders that encourage morality instead of victim hood.

Table 43

ucr.fbi.gov

Unsubtle racist troll thread warning

 

[NatMorton]

Yeah and I'm saying the problem is that cultures aren't created in a vacuum. They're informed by history and created by a people.

There we agree, but that still leaves culture as a factor, and acting on cultural values is, by and large, a choice.

The history of those people and their capabilities matter. You're looking at the blueprints of a building and starting construction without any concern of what materials and labor are to be used.

And yet -- independent of race -- where certain voluntary behaviors are avoided, poverty can be avoided, as you saw in post 125.

 

[Ahlevah]

No they can’t. Because we could always have an economy where a mother could have a child and not be in poverty.

Most people would rather support their own kids than someone else’s. But if they do they’d rather it be their idea and not the government’s.

 

[Gozaburo]

No they can’t. Because we could always have an economy where a mother could have a child and not be in poverty.

Why is this aspirational? Why architect society around a pillar which is already dysfunctional?

 

[vanceen]

There is no doubt that poverty among a group is correlated with higher crime rates.

Unfortunately, this is not adequate as a complete explanation of crime statistics for blacks, for two reasons. First, most blacks aren't poor. And second, there are more poor people of other races than there are poor black people. Specifically, there are more poor whites than poor blacks.

So poverty alone just doesn't explain the statistics.

It could be useful to consider that the perpetrators of crimes among blacks are disproportionately a minority of blacks who live in a particular environment. Call it the "ghetto" if no better term comes to mind. People in the ghetto are disproportionately poor compared to other blacks. Also, the ghetto is segregated almost by definition, so the culture in it is insular and self-reinforcing. Since the 1960's, there has been a dramatic erosion in conventional families in these areas (largely caused by well-meaning legislation). So the well-established problems of homes without a male role model are added to the problems of poverty. I think this has resulted in a pathological concept of masculinity that focuses on honor, violence, and relative contempt for law.

Almost all of these pathologies have their roots in historic discrimination, historic forced segregation, and incentivization of benefits dependency and homes without men. To put it more succinctly, a combination of white racism and misguided efforts to "help".

Recognizing these causes is necessary, but not sufficient. Simply being convinced that the current plight of people in ghettos is mainly due to racist history does not help. More is needed. I wish I had a short, simple list of things that would make a difference, but I don't. It certainly would help for government to incentivize enterprise and (if possible) stable families. Affirmative action in hiring and university admission based on economic status rather than race would also help. That would be superior to preference based on race, both from the point of view that race in itself ought not to be the basis of law, and in helping people in a focused way without lumping affluent blacks in with poor blacks, which is wasteful of resources.

 

[Ahlevah]

Ask the many many many scientists that have done studies on the topic. Poverty is the single most determining factor in criminality across the board, not just with property crimes.

I don’t think that’s going to go over too well with a judge: “Your Honor, many, many scientists say that I brutally raped and murdered Mrs. Croaker because I’m poor.”

 

[Ahlevah]

You've made an excellent argument in favor of abortion on demand. As if there weren't already plenty of good arguments for it.

Using a human being as a means to an end in this manner is morally abhorrent to me: “Let’s off this baby because it could become a criminal.” Very dystopian. I would rather put it up for adoption if the parent doesn’t want it.

 

[Gozaburo]

Almost all of these pathologies have their roots in historic discrimination, historic forced segregation, and incentivization of benefits dependency and homes without men. To put it more succinctly, a combination of white racism and misguided efforts to "help".

With the exception of maybe the bolded - which I'm not convinced of, but would be willing to hear an argument - can you give an example of these pathologies manifesting in literally any other oppressed population? Even outside of the US, oppression and violence doesn't always seem to manifest in long term bad outcomes. In fact, we can observe the opposite in many cases, where it seems to emphasize solidarity and in-group preference.