Black violent crime rate 3 times that of whitess

[Sidd Finch]

The cincinati thing is a reminder of that.

The black community needs better leaders that encourage morality instead of victim hood.

Table 43

ucr.fbi.gov

What do you suggest?

 

[Questerr]

What do you suggest?

Their “solution” is always increased policing and harsher sentences even though neither works.

 

[Grand Mal]

Their “solution” is always increased policing and harsher sentences even though neither works.

America has more LEO agencies that Americans can name, and more prisoners than any other country, but lots of lazy-thinking simple-minded rightists complain about 'soft on crime'.

 

[MamboDervish]

The cincinati thing is a reminder of that.

What makes this a "General Political Discussion" ??

The black community needs better leaders that encourage morality instead of victim hood.

Given Trump's reelection, no demographic needs this more than the White community. Trump is the gold standard for both immorality and victim hood. But you knew that, right?

Table 43

ucr.fbi.gov

Black violent crime rate 3 times that of whitess​

What a coincidence!

Black police scrutiny and profiling is 4 times that of Whites so ...

Black arrests and convictions are 3 times that of Whites because ...

Whites are 3 times better represented in court than Blacks ...

Because the Black poverty rate is more than 2 times that of White poverty,

Ergo, Black incarcerations are 3 times that of Whites leading to

Black recidivism being 3 times that of Whites, ... but fear not, because

Black on Black crime is more than 3 times Black on White crime, so

... rest easy.

 

[TobyOne]

This has been true since forever. Its probably the biggest example of "Facts don't care about your feelings".

 

[NuffSaid]

The cincinati thing is a reminder of that.

The black community needs better leaders that encourage morality instead of victim hood.

Table 43

ucr.fbi.gov

So when 2 gangs shoot at each other, its because of victimhood?

 

[Sweden]

Whiteness?
This might be news to you but CRIME IS A RESULT OF POVERTY!
If you go to Finland the highest crime rate will be among the lily-white residents of the poorest neighbourhoods. Go to Ireland and the highest crime rates will be in the pasty-faced poorest areas.
But it's a principle known well by trash-TV producers, among others, that everyone wants to feel superior to someone so it gets called a race issue.

It is also possible that poverty is the result of crime. Criminals have a hard time of lifting themselves out of poverty through work and a stable life style.

 

[reinaert]

This has been true since forever. Its probably the biggest example of "Facts don't care about your feelings".

The guy who wants other Americans policed by Marines also has dodgy race beliefs.

 

[verrip1]

It is a bit more than that-----------Whites have a LOT to do with it all

Here we have the argument that shows what libs really believe in. They assume that blacks are incapable of making the right moral decisions, so any negative factors which lead them wrong are the fault of whites be it through overt or covert societal mandates. It's the lib mentality of the superior white race needing to save the incapable, ignorant blacks. Racist at its core.

 

[ataraxia]

Here we have the argument that shows what libs really believe in. They assume that blacks are incapable of making the right moral decisions, so any negative factors which lead them wrong are the fault of whites be it through overt or covert societal mandates. It's the lib mentality of the superior white race needing to save the incapable, ignorant blacks. Racist at its core.

So do you have any insights into the reasons why or recommendations for the higher crime rate in the black community?

 

[NatMorton]

Outside of monks, which cultures include or result in poverty as a norm?

Over the last 50 years or so, they've been factors such as finishing high school, waiting until age 21 to have a first child, and being married when you have that first child. Do those three things and one stands a 90% chance of avoiding poverty, and the data indicates this is true regardless of race.

Poverty is an ancient worldwide phenomenon. It has spanned all cultures since the beginning of civilization.

But the reasons for it vary by time and place.

If the cultural norm is keeping a segment of society impoverished, then I guess you'd have a point. Is that your point?

"Keeping" is an interesting verb. Who's doing the keeping?

 

[OrphanSlug]

... the places this thread will go.

 

[ataraxia]

"Keeping" is an interesting verb. Who's doing the keeping?

Oligarchs free of any regulations, muzzles, or leashes.

"Modern oligarchy operates through persuasion by “enticing rather than commanding citizens and maintaining what seems like an absence from political authority,” Winslow said. It is in this absence that oligarchs can influence indirect political actions, especially since they are not (typically) elected officials and cannot be removed from office. "

Defining Oligarchy: The Fusion of Wealth and Power in American Democracy

news.web.baylor.edu

 

[Simpletruther]

So when 2 gangs shoot at each other, its because of victimhood?

Its part of it.

 

[Simpletruther]

What do you suggest?

I did already

 

[Diving Mullah]

The cincinati thing is a reminder of that.

The black community needs better leaders that encourage morality instead of victim hood.

Table 43

ucr.fbi.gov

sure...that argument has been put forward but say a KKK member but then here are some facts to counter this....

I know....those pesky facts and figures..runis everything!!!


Crime rates are generally higher in poor areas, but when these rates are broken down by race, the differences become more nuanced—especially after accounting for poverty.

• In poor households: Violent victimization rates are very similar between poor non-Hispanic whites (46.4 per 1,000) and poor non-Hispanic blacks (43.4 per 1,000). Poor Hispanics have somewhat lower rates (25.3 per 1,000). In urban settings, poor blacks and poor whites have roughly comparable rates of violent victimization1.
• Crime gaps by race: Nationally, Black and Hispanic communities experience higher violent crime rates than white communities. For example, homicide and violent crime rates for Blacks are around 5–7 times those for Whites before adjusting for poverty. However, when controlling for poverty, the gap decreases but does not disappear entirely; disparities are reduced by roughly 25–30%, but remain significant23.

Key Comparison Table: Violent Victimization Rate by Race & Poverty Level​

Group	Poor Households (per 1,000)	General Population (per 100,000)*
White (non-Hispanic)	46.4	2.85 homicide rate
Black (non-Hispanic)	43.4	15.81 homicide rate
Hispanic	25.3	6.39 homicide rate

*General population rates reflect homicide, not all violent crime, per 3.

Important Findings​

• Poverty strongly increases crime risk for all races: In poor neighborhoods, white and black crime victimization rates are notably close; the main driver for high crime rates is poverty itself, not race14.
• Structural disadvantage matters: Differences in crime rates between racial groups narrow substantially when comparing neighborhoods with similar levels of poverty and disadvantage. But nationally, because more Black and Hispanic people live in poor areas (due to systemic disparities), overall national crime statistics show higher rates for these groups32.
• Residual gaps: Even after adjusting for poverty, Black communities still, on average, have higher crime rates (especially homicide) than white communities—indicating additional structural and possibly historical factors at play2.

Takeaway​

When you normalize crime rates to poverty level, the racial gap narrows considerably—poor whites and poor blacks face similar crime risks. The higher observed national crime rates for Black or Hispanic Americans primarily result from a higher proportion living in poverty-stricken areas, not an intrinsic difference based on race alone. However, residual differences indicate that poverty is a major, but not exclusive, explanatory factor1324.

 

[Diving Mullah]

1. https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/hpnvv0812.pdf
2. https://inquisitivebird.xyz/p/race-economics-and-homicide
3. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4097310/
4. https://www.prisonpolicy.org/scans/krivo_peterson.pdf
5. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States
6. https://oll.libertyfund.org/publica...rime-do-blacks-commit-more-crimes-than-whites
7. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2782848/
8. https://reasonwithoutrestraint.com/studies-on-the-relationship-between-race-ses-and-crimality/
9. https://www.ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/ezacjrp/asp/Offense_Race.asp
10. https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/revcoa18.pdf
11. 
    
12. https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/topic-pages/tables/table-43
13. https://www.city-journal.org/article/brookings-institution-crime-report-poverty-race-violence
14. https://www.brookings.edu/articles/rethinking-the-role-of-race-in-crime-and-police-violence/
15. https://ojjdp.ojp.gov/statistical-briefing-book/crime/faqs/ucr_table_2
16. https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/232084.pdf
17. https://www.city-journal.org/article/poverty-and-violent-crime-dont-go-hand-in-hand
18. 
    
19. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10849238/
20. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3455929/

 

[Gozaburo]

No, the problem is economic. It is caused by poverty.

Well this is obviously not true. Some of the most impoverished areas of the nation (like Appalachia) have effectively zero violent crime. At the very least, the issue is poverty + proximity + population density.

But even saying the issue is poverty very much begs the question. Does crime beget poverty or does poverty beget crime? If poverty is a generational issue and generational issues can be ascribed to historical discrimination, then what did conditions look like prior to discrimination? If conditions prior to discrimination were as-bad or worse and the issue is in-fact geography, then what explains differences in performance between peoples in equally harsh geographies? Even when conservatives like Sowell blame something as nebulous as "Culture" that begs the question - where exactly do cultures come from?

This is the problem and why we never arrive to a satisfactory conclusion. You expect an extremely complex, multi-millenia issue to be reducible to class alone, which is laughably myopic.

 

[tshade]

They assume that blacks are incapable of making the right moral decisions,

no one said that

so any negative factors which lead them wrong are the fault of whites be it through overt or covert societal mandates.

no, mostly history , and a pervading racism in society.........

 

[Sidd Finch]

I did already

You suggested better leaders. How would you make this happen?

 

[NatMorton]

Oligarchs free of any regulations, muzzles, or leashes.

That's sounds terrible. Where is that happening?

 

[Cope]

It is a bit more than that-----------Whites have a LOT to do with it all

How could I ever guess it has to be someone else's fault?

 

[Questerr]

Well this is obviously not true. Some of the most impoverished areas of the nation (like Appalachia) have effectively zero violent crime. At the very least, the issue is poverty + proximity + population density.

But even saying the issue is poverty very much begs the question. Does crime beget poverty or does poverty beget crime? If poverty is a generational issue and generational issues can be ascribed to historical discrimination, then what did conditions look like prior to discrimination? If conditions prior to discrimination were as-bad or worse and the issue is in-fact geography, then what explains differences in performance between peoples in equally harsh geographies? Even when conservatives like Sowell blame something as nebulous as "Culture" that begs the question - where exactly do cultures come from?

This is the problem and why we never arrive to a satisfactory conclusion. You expect an extremely complex, multi-millenia issue to be reducible to class alone, which is laughably myopic.

Appalachia? The center of opioid abuse and the thefts and violence associated with it?

Poverty begets crime. You act like this has never been studied. It has. Extensively. All studies on the topic agree poverty is the largest determinant of criminality.

 

[Cope]

What do you suggest?

Three things will ensure that they get out of poverty, which is a huge cause of their strife:

1. Prioritize education
2. Stop having/fathering babies until they can afford them.
3. Stay away from crime.

As far as getting them to follow those three things: It is going to take the entire black community and anyone who thinks they are a black leader/spokesperson/role model to send this message.

Currently very few are, most would rather blame others for their plight, and their is no shortage of white knights amongst the Democratic party who champion the same.

 

[Gozaburo]

Appalachia? The center of opioid abuse and the thefts and violence associated with it?

Yeah, drug abuse is rampant in Appalachia but violent crime is near non-existent, which makes sense given the rural population density. Not sure why you're getting defensive and pointing fingers here.

Poverty begets crime. You act like this has never been studied. It has. Extensively. All studies on the topic agree poverty is the largest determinant of criminality.

And I'm pointing out that saying "poverty is the largest determinant of crime" is like saying "natural causes is the largest determinant of death". It's hollow and doesn't actually tell us very much about the dynamics at play.