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...for...

...being Black?

Read the USAToday.com article and listen to a couple of the students speak in their own words as to what happened and you be the judge.

There are different accounts of who made the decision to eject approximately 30 black students who say they were standing silently at the top of the bleachers at Donald Trump’s rally here Monday evening.

Late Monday night, a Trump spokeswoman denied that the incident at Valdosta State University's campus was initiated “at the request of the candidate” or the presidential campaign. A spokesman for the Secret Service contradicted the students' statements that federal agents led them out of the building, saying Trump staff and local law enforcement officials were in charge of handling protesters.

However, Valdosta Police Chief Brian Childress tried to clear up the confusion Tuesday morning, telling USA TODAY that he personally went to speak to the Trump campaign staff and the local law enforcement officers helping with security to confirm who ordered the students out, and to ask why.

“These folks were told to leave the PE complex by the Trump detail,” Childress said.

The police chief said he thinks the Trump staff made the right call — and it wasn’t a racial issue.

Trump had rented the venue, so “he had the right to tell folks he didn’t want to be there, that they had to leave. I’m not campaigning for anyone. That’s not what I do. But in this case, I support them,” Childress said.

The sight of the students, who were visibly upset, being asked to leave the grounds created a stir at a university that was a whites-only campus until 1963.

The young people said they had planned to sit in silent protest, but were escorted out by security officials before the presidential candidate began speaking. The incident was recorded on video by several attendees. (Some of the footage can be found here, here and here.)
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Objective Voice said:
...for...

...being Black?

Read the USAToday.com article and listen to a couple of the students speak in their own words as to what happened and you be the judge.
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they weren't ejected for being black... they were ejected for protesting, albeit silently.

anyone going to a campaign rally to protest oughta know they run the chance of being removed ... it's a campaign rally intended for supporters, not protesters
 
A group a black students had protested (not silently) at an event earlier in the day so Trump has every reason to assume that this group up to the same game. He was right to throw them out, a group that large would be very disruptive, it would take awhile for security to get them out.
 
Objective Voice said:
...for...

...being Black?

Read the USAToday.com article and listen to a couple of the students speak in their own words as to what happened and you be the judge.
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The idea that the only reason was due to them being black is insane. do you really believe that? Or do you believe they possibly were being disruptive?
 
Thrilla said:
they weren't ejected for being black... they were ejected for protesting, albeit silently.

anyone going to a campaign rally to protest oughta know they run the chance of being removed ... it's a campaign rally intended for supporters, not protesters
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Except there's another part to this story...

Among the group of 30 to 40 asked to leave, at least one was white, and several of them committed violations that could have led to their arrest if police hadn’t shown restraint, Childress said.

“What I resent is now some of these folks are going around saying it was a black issue. That’s total nonsense,” he said. “I personally asked why were these folks told to leave and the reason was: they were being disruptive. The Trump staff said they were using profanity. The F-bomb is one word that was used. You can’t be in there using profanity. That violates Georgia law.”
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So, I say look at the additional footage as posted on the three Twitter feeds. In each instance, the students were well behaved, they didn't have picket signs or any anti-Trump posters of any kind. Yes, they wear all black clothing as a group, but the only way anyone would know about their silent protest would be if they were informed of it in advance. Even still, if you're sitting there silent, not saying or doing anything, how is that disruptive?
 
Objective Voice said:
How were they being disruptive by just sitting there silently?
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apparently by cursing, being loud and disruptive. They claim they were being quiet, the trump campaign claims otherwise. but that's besides the point.


Do you REALLY REALLY believe, that trumps people saw some black people and thought to themselves "we gotta kick em out", for no other reason than because they were black?

Do you REALLY believe that?
 
Hawkeye10 said:
A group a black students had protested (not silently) at an event earlier in the day so Trump has every reason to assume that this group up to the same game. He was right to throw them out, a group that large would be very disruptive, it would take awhile for security to get them out.
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Ah, but the Police Chief claimed that the group was using profanity. Yet none of the Twitter footage supports that claim, at least not with the group that was thrown out. So, what you're saying is because one group misbehaved it's perfectly fine to assume the next group would do the same thing. Only in this case, they didn't according to the student's own testimony.
 
Objective Voice said:
...for...

...being Black?

Read the USAToday.com article and listen to a couple of the students speak in their own words as to what happened and you be the judge.
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Oh come on. I can't stand Donald Trump but these racist accusations are just stupid. You guys are making fools of yourselves with all of these ridiculous things that are now being posted about Trump and his campaign.
 
Objective Voice said:
Except there's another part to this story...



So, I say look at the additional footage as posted on the three Twitter feeds. In each instance, the students were well behaved, they didn't have picket signs or any anti-Trump posters of any kind. Yes, they wear all black clothing as a group, but the only way anyone would know about their silent protest would be if they were informed of it in advance. Even still, if you're sitting there silent, not saying or doing anything, how is that disruptive?
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I didn't say they were being disruptive( though even a silent protest can be disruptive)... I said they were protesting ( which they were)

it's perfectly ok to ask protesters , or anyone else for that matter, to be removed from an event you are paying for and throwing for supporters.
 
Objective Voice said:
How were they being disruptive by just sitting there silently?
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the site was rented by Trump

you do realize he can have who he wants in there....right?

and that if they think a group "may" cause an issue, they can remove them before a problem starts

and there is NOTHING wrong with it

just the same as Bernie or Hillary could do if they saw a group of people they didnt want at one of their rallies
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
apparently by cursing, being loud and disruptive. They claim they were being quiet, the trump campaign claims otherwise. but that's besides the point.


Do you REALLY REALLY believe, that trumps people saw some black people and thought to themselves "we gotta kick em out", for no other reason than because they were black?

Do you REALLY believe that?
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In this case, yes! Listen to the students account by those directly involved. They said they hadn't done a thing and that their intention were to sit quietly (in silent protest) but listen to what Trump had to offer as a GOP presidential candidate. So, I say again, was it right to kick these students out when they'd done nothing wrong?
 
Thrilla said:
I didn't say they were being disruptive( though even a silent protest can be disruptive)... I said they were protesting ( which they were)

it's perfectly ok to ask protesters , or anyone else for that matter, to be removed from an event you are paying for and throwing for supporters.
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Fair enough since by their own admission that's what they were doing - silently or otherwise. My problem with this is if you're running for the presidency you shouldn't be afraid to "hear" grievances from all sides. Now, while I would agree that those individuals in attendance who do cause a disruption should be cast out, those who do not should be allowed to stay. By kicking these students out who did nothing except exercise their Constitutional right to "peaceful assembly," Donald Trump is showing himself to be very partial to mostly "Whites-only" crowds, and that's not good for his candidacy.
 
Objective Voice said:
In this case, yes! Listen to the students account by those directly involved. They said they hadn't done a thing and that their intention were to sit quietly (in silent protest) but listen to what Trump had to offer as a GOP presidential candidate. So, I say again, was it right to kick these students out when they'd done nothing wrong?
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Then why are there other black people in the crowd who did not get thrown out?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnKYkRyExno


oh, here's mikey, Mikey was one of the protestors:


https://twitter.com/Mikey_Spiffy


Mikey is a #blacklivesmatter guy, note the "black power" fist raising of the loud group of african american students in mikey's video.


Do these students seem like silent protesters to you?
 
Reminds me of this (gotta love the looks on the MSNBC pundit's faces at the end):



I'm not a Trump supporter, but the BS "RACIST" call by the left about every GOP candidate or GOP position that they don't like is getting damned old. Reminds me also of the boy that cried wolf.
 
Objective Voice said:
Fair enough since by their own admission that's what they were doing - silently or otherwise. My problem with this is if you're running for the presidency you shouldn't be afraid to "hear" grievances from all sides. Now, while I would agree that those individuals in attendance who do cause a disruption should be cast out, those who do not should be allowed to stay. By kicking these students out who did nothing except exercise their Constitutional right to "peaceful assembly," Donald Trump is showing himself to be very partial to mostly "Whites-only" crowds, and that's not good for his candidacy.
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:lol:

Hillary Clinton Throws Out Black Lives Matter Protesters



Do you REALLY believe hillary threw these folks out for simply being black? or is this "different"?
 
Objective Voice said:
Fair enough since by their own admission that's what they were doing - silently or otherwise. My problem with this is if you're running for the presidency you shouldn't be afraid to "hear" grievances from all sides. Now, while I would agree that those individuals in attendance who do cause a disruption should be cast out, those who do not should be allowed to stay. By kicking these students out who did nothing except exercise their Constitutional right to "peaceful assembly," Donald Trump is showing himself to be very partial to mostly "Whites-only" crowds, and that's not good for his candidacy.
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The government doesn't have a right to stop you from "peacefully assembling". Last time I checked the venue, wasn't a government function. Grab a Constitution or better yet, read it!
 
tres borrachos said:
Oh come on. I can't stand Donald Trump but these racist accusations are just stupid. You guys are making fools of yourselves with all of these ridiculous things that are now being posted about Trump and his campaign.
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I didn't call him a racist. I merely posted the facts as to what happened, linked to the article in question and posed the question, "were the students kicked out merely for being Black?" Yes or No? You came to that racist conclusion all on your own.

Bottom line: Yes, the student were Black. Yes, they came to peacefully assemble at a Trump rally. And yes, their assembly was intended to be in a peaceful, silent protest against his candidacy for the GOP presidential nomination. But the students also wanted to hear what the man had to say, but were denied that opportunity. You can say it was because "their attire resembled that of a unified group resembling the Black Panther Party," for example, but my contention is that you allow all comers to attend your rally until they prove themselves to be unworthy of attending.

But as has been stated, it's within Trump's (campaign's) right to deny anyone from attending his rally as he sees fit. I just think this may not go over well for him in the long run.
 
Objective Voice said:
Fair enough since by their own admission that's what they were doing - silently or otherwise. My problem with this is if you're running for the presidency you shouldn't be afraid to "hear" grievances from all sides. Now, while I would agree that those individuals in attendance who do cause a disruption should be cast out, those who do not should be allowed to stay. By kicking these students out who did nothing except exercise their Constitutional right to "peaceful assembly," Donald Trump is showing himself to be very partial to mostly "Whites-only" crowds, and that's not good for his candidacy.
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a campaign rally is not the place to be looking for grievances to be entertained.. it's the exact wrong place, in fact.

for all the bull**** Trump throw out there( and there' a ton of it), only his loyal political opposition( read, the far left, or the Democratic party partisans) sees him as a racist.... but they see racism in everything, so the term has really lost all of it's impact.
there's literally nothing Trump can do NOT to be called a racist.... it's a forgone conclusion he will be labeled as such, no matter what he actually says or does.
 
Objective Voice said:
I didn't call him a racist. I merely posted the facts as to what happened, linked to the article in question and posed the question, "were the students kicked out merely for being Black?" Yes or No? You came to that racist conclusion all on your own.

Bottom line: Yes, the student were Black. Yes, they came to peacefully assemble at a Trump rally. And yes, their assembly was intended to be in a peaceful, silent protest against his candidacy for the GOP presidential nomination. But the students also wanted to hear what the man had to say, but were denied that opportunity. You can say it was because "their attire resembled that of a unified group resembling the Black Panther Party," for example, but my contention is that you allow all comers to attend your rally until they prove themselves to be unworthy of attending.

But as has been stated, it's within Trump's (campaign's) right to deny anyone from attending his rally as he sees fit. I just think this may not go over well for him in the long run.
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Ah, so you don't really think Trump kicked them out because they were black, then. Because if he did, that would make him a racist, which now you're pretending you weren't implying. If you don't think he kicked them out because they are black, why did you start this stupid thread....just to see your name in lights?
 
reinoe said:
The government doesn't have a right to stop you from "peacefully assembling". Last time I checked the venue, wasn't a government function. Grab a Constitution or better yet, read it!
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I don't necessarily buy that, but if that's your take...okay.

Since the man paid his rent/leasing cost for the facility he does have the right to invite or allow anyone he chooses to remain at the venue. I think he's wrong in this and other similar such instances where the individual or group said and/or did nothing but were thrown out anyway, but we'll just have to agree to disagree.
 
tres borrachos said:
Ah, so you don't really think Trump kicked them out because they were black, then. Because if he did, that would make him a racist, which now you're pretending you weren't implying. If you don't think he kicked them out because they are black, why did you start this stupid thread....just to see your name in lights?
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Everyone's got their opinion and you've shared yours. Thanks for playing. :peace:2wave:
 
Objective Voice said:
In this case, yes! Listen to the students account by those directly involved. They said they hadn't done a thing and that their intention were to sit quietly (in silent protest) but listen to what Trump had to offer as a GOP presidential candidate. So, I say again, was it right to kick these students out when they'd done nothing wrong?
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I see your point, regardless, a silent protest is still a protest. It was to make a point, all dressed the same standing silently.
I am not defending Trump, but he paid the rent, and his campaign can have anyone removed.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
:lol:

Hillary Clinton Throws Out Black Lives Matter Protesters



Do you REALLY believe hillary threw these folks out for simply being black? or is this "different"?
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If they were causing a disruption, they deserved to be kicked out. In this case, not so much. But if Donald Trump sees trouble with every minority group he encounters at one of his rallies before any trouble is caused, my position is sooner or later it will cost him support.
 
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