Black Lives Don't Matter... To Black People. (1 Viewer)

[justabubba]

You are the one that needs to look that up. You apparently have no idea what is really going on. When was the last time you walked through one of these crime riddled neighborhoods. One evening take a walk and find out first hand what is going on. If you are still with us we can discuss the problem. Oh and put a Trump hat on and show up at the next BLM rally and find out first hand if they are peaceful protesters.

you are the one who insisted BLM was hijacked
now you have absolutely nothing which shows us that statement has any truth to it

if you were not making that shit up, post proof showing who hijacked BLM and how they managed to do so

 

[Bodi]

Many white people engaged to join the BLM protest,

And the minute any of them mention that all lives matter or that it is not a racial thing but an economic thing... they are insulted and shouted down.

they started out to address Policing and the elements that have resulted into a different mentality and demeanor when police encounter black people.

Black people and minorities here act differently than do white people, Asians or Latinos, for the most part, when in groups and how they act.

It is a cultural things and not a race thing... it just happens to be that they tend to coincide.

(This goes back to the Slavery and Post Slavery System of how black were viewed and treated, during Post Slavery Segregation Police were used as front line means to keep black people in check within the Jim Crow Segregation; any time white people did not like the presence or any other thing of black people, they called the police or threatned to call the police. Black people were not allowed to sit on Juries, and it was not until the voting rights act of 1965 that Black people could serve on Juries, them that was still subject to the administration of jury selectee as to where a black person would get the summons, often time, black people did not get called for Jury Duty. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 had to be brought to point and focus when neglect was so over and then through the PRINCIPLES of Affirmative Actions helped the process of black people being considered for Juries. It took many many years before the process advanced.

I know black people that dress much better than most white people on a daily basis... and since I do not want to make anybody uncomfortable I do not ask but I have to assume that it is so that they are not misunderstood by most people, to be criminals. Too many people of all colors walk around in hoodies and looking like people that are sketchy at best to thugs at worst. Clean up your image is a great first step towards not being viewed as a threat.

 

[RealityNow]

And the minute any of them mention that all lives matter or that it is not a racial thing but an economic thing... they are insulted and shouted down.

Black people and minorities here act differently than do white people, Asians or Latinos, for the most part, when in groups and how they act.

It is a cultural things and not a race thing... it just happens to be that they tend to coincide.

I know black people that dress much better than most white people on a daily basis... and since I do not want to make anybody uncomfortable I do not ask but I have to assume that it is so that they are not misunderstood by most people, to be criminals. Too many people of all colors walk around in hoodies and looking like people that are sketchy at best to thugs at worst. Clean up your image is a great first step towards not being viewed as a threat.

You must not see the white people who wear hoodies, sag their pants and wear a wide variety of hair styles. Yet, they are not vilified by because of their looks and costuming.

All people act different~~~~ !!! Go to the Midwest, people act different than people in the South, go to the West people act different than people in the north.. its the nature of the environmental tonality within society. This delusion that there is 'one way to act'... is a white construct, that tries to claim it is a standard, when they have no standard across the nation, as references, they act different ways based on region, county, city and community.

As to dressing well, we did have various standards that are changing in all sectors of society. One can go to any part of the country, and not all business people will wear a suit and tie, not all will wear a sports jacket and a tie, and today, not all even wear a tie.
There was a time when many men wore hats, today that is not a standard in society of the brim hat's they wore, people now wear what use to be called baseball caps, but they are no longer called 'baseball hats'... I don't know what the term is that describes the caps, but they are worn forward, backwards, tilted to the side and they have many sayings written on them. There was a time women wore dresses in offices, but today, women were pretty much what ever they want to wear.

One can go to a rural areas and see white people wearing a lot of jungle camaflauge prints... and no one makes an issue of it, yet if one goes to a black community and black people wear clothing with designs on them, or other cuts and stylings.. suddenly its criticized. It's as if white people based on region, still have a delusion that black people have to conform to what white people wear. It's Bullshit.

As to well dressed blacks, since people began to earn money post slavery, many black people have cared to dress well, as prior to that, blacks had no option to choose what they wear during slavery. It is very rare that one will find a black man with scuffed up shoes in a business environment, or not care about his footwear in general. trace that back to a people, who never had a choice for 100's of years about footwear, but when black people began to earn money post slavery, they showed their care for their footwear.

Point is, there is no mandate for black people to be dictated to by white people.

Society has standards that every one abides by. i.e. setting in executive business, where a business suit is standard; that's what people wear, regardless of race, ethnicity or culture attire they may wear outside of that environment.

You say black people act different in groups...maybe you are not paying attention to white people and how they act when they are in various forms of groups.

• a group of rowdy white kids, is claimed - oh' they are just having fun".... (yet some of them tear up a lot of stuff)
• when black kids are rowdy in groups, they are immediately considered "very different, and certainly not thought of as "oh' they are just having fun"... they are seen as criminals.

It's time society get over thinking "white peoples narratives" are the only narrative that is valid.

White People no longer get to tell American's how to live
(Jim Crow Ideology is over and White People need to get over trying to re-create it)

Today, more white people adopt stylings and emulate stylings that are initiated by black people;
black people are not demanding that white people adopt it.. the way white people try to demand that black people adopt and emulate their stylings. ​

 

[noonereal]

What would you say is going to happen to our police if you defund and dismantle them?

this begs the question, who is trying to defund them?

Let's face it, your post is hysterical do to face of right wings lies not realities.

Lay off the alternate facts is my heartfelt advise to you.

 

[noonereal]

You are the one that needs to look that up. You apparently have no idea what is really going on. When was the last time you walked through one of these crime riddled neighborhoods. One evening take a walk and find out first hand what is going on. If you are still with us we can discuss the problem. Oh and put a Trump hat on and show up at the next BLM rally and find out first hand if they are peaceful protesters.

What crime filled neighborhood have you walked through at night that brings you all this experience?

Hardee's restaurant? ROTFLMAO!!!

 

[Ren]

Another white guy whose a real ****in expert on what black people think! Gather around everybody, this superior white man will tell us how he just knows so much better. (and cites long-debunked statistics to boot!)

Colored peopl -- I mean, persons of color are oppressed and suffering and it's all on white people *sniff*.

-- The Left

 

[Bodi]

You must not see the white people who wear hoodies, sag their pants and wear a wide variety of hair styles. Yet, they are not vilified by because of their looks and costuming.

All people act different~~~~ !!! Go to the Midwest, people act different than people in the South, go to the West people act different than people in the north.. its the nature of the environmental tonality within society. This delusion that there is 'one way to act'... is a white construct, that tries to claim it is a standard, when they have no standard across the nation, as references, they act different ways based on region, county, city and community.

As to dressing well, we did have various standards that are changing in all sectors of society. One can go to any part of the country, and not all business people will wear a suit and tie, not all will wear a sports jacket and a tie, and today, not all even wear a tie.
There was a time when many men wore hats, today that is not a standard in society of the brim hat's they wore, people now wear what use to be called baseball caps, but they are no longer called 'baseball hats'... I don't know what the term is that describes the caps, but they are worn forward, backwards, tilted to the side and they have many sayings written on them. There was a time women wore dresses in offices, but today, women were pretty much what ever they want to wear.

One can go to a rural areas and see white people wearing a lot of jungle camaflauge prints... and no one makes an issue of it, yet if one goes to a black community and black people wear clothing with designs on them, or other cuts and stylings.. suddenly its criticized. It's as if white people based on region, still have a delusion that black people have to conform to what white people wear. It's Bullshit.

As to well dressed blacks, since people began to earn money post slavery, many black people have cared to dress well, as prior to that, blacks had no option to choose what they wear during slavery. It is very rare that one will find a black man with scuffed up shoes in a business environment, or not care about his footwear in general. trace that back to a people, who never had a choice for 100's of years about footwear, but when black people began to earn money post slavery, they showed their care for their footwear.

Point is, there is no mandate for black people to be dictated to by white people.

Society has standards that every one abides by. i.e. setting in executive business, where a business suit is standard; that's what people wear, regardless of race, ethnicity or culture attire they may wear outside of that environment.

You say black people act different in groups...maybe you are not paying attention to white people and how they act when they are in various forms of groups.

• a group of rowdy white kids, is claimed - oh' they are just having fun".... (yet some of them tear up a lot of stuff)
• when black kids are rowdy in groups, they are immediately considered "very different, and certainly not thought of as "oh' they are just having fun"... they are seen as criminals.

It's time society get over thinking "white peoples narratives" are the only narrative that is valid.

White People no longer get to tell American's how to live
(Jim Crow Ideology is over and White People need to get over trying to re-create it)

Today, more white people adopt stylings and emulate stylings that are initiated by black people;
black people are not demanding that white people adopt it.. the way white people try to demand that black people adopt and emulate their stylings. ​

You do way too much assuming...

 

[PIPEWRENCH]

this begs the question, who is trying to defund them?

Let's face it, your post is hysterical do to face of right wings lies not realities.

Lay off the alternate facts is my heartfelt advise to you

You mean these facts/lies

Minneapolis City Council members intend to defund and dismantle the city's police department​

Minneapolis City Council members intend to defund and dismantle the city's police department

Nine members of the Minneapolis City Council on Sunday announced they intend to defund and dismantle the city's police department following the police killing of George Floyd.

www.cnn.com

 

[PIPEWRENCH]

What crime filled neighborhood have you walked through at night that brings you all this experience?

Hardee's restaurant? ROTFLMAO!!!

When I was growing up or as and adult? I lived in these neighborhoods.

 

[justabubba]

You mean these facts/lies

Minneapolis City Council members intend to defund and dismantle the city's police department​

Minneapolis City Council members intend to defund and dismantle the city's police department

Nine members of the Minneapolis City Council on Sunday announced they intend to defund and dismantle the city's police department following the police killing of George Floyd.

www.cnn.com

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any idea what has happened to the police force during the intervening 14 months?

 

[noonereal]

Interesting results to the pool so far.

I had to vote no Also.

 

[PIPEWRENCH]

any idea what has happened to the police force during the intervening 14 months?

Yes.

 

[jaeger19]

They don't, as a group. If they mattered BLM would be in the communities and addressing the overwhelming statistics that show that black men kill black people far more than police kill black people, that black men make up about 6.5% of the population but commit about 54% of the murders, that black men are 27x more likely to attack white men than the other way around, that black men are about 8x more likely to attack Hispanic men than the other way around, that BLM is about grandstanding, accusations and hypocrisy.



Do you agree or not and why?

What a crock. Sheesh..
Let's see a government entity that takes your taxes while it's agents act as judge jury and executioner..
But black people shouldn't be concerned about that..just black on black crime..
That FRIGGIN STEMS IN LARGE PART DUE TO THE SYSTEMIC RACISM THAT KEEPS MINORITIES IN POVERTY.

 

[Bodi]

What a crock. Sheesh..
Let's see a government entity that takes your taxes while it's agents act as judge jury and executioner..
But black people shouldn't be concerned about that..just black on black crime..
That FRIGGIN STEMS IN LARGE PART DUE TO THE SYSTEMIC RACISM THAT KEEPS MINORITIES IN POVERTY.

I never said to not be concerned about the government's role. Sheesh!

 

[jaeger19]

I never said to not be concerned about the government's role. Sheesh!

Sure you are. You claim that the BLM. which is about black lives and the government..that black lives should matter to this country..
Should instead be paying attention to black on black crime.
You COMPLETELY miss the reason for BLM.

 

[Bodi]

Sure you are. You claim that the BLM. which is about black lives and the government..that black lives should matter to this country..
Should instead be paying attention to black on black crime.
You COMPLETELY miss the reason for BLM.

That is not what I argued at all... You misunderstood and are making ignorant claims. Instead of posting stupid stuff like you are you should post something intelligent like a question in order to seek out information so you can make an informed conclusion. But that is not what you do, is it?

 

[jaeger19]

That is not what I argued at all... You misunderstood and are making ignorant claims. Instead of posting stupid stuff like you are you should post something intelligent like a question in order to seek out information so you can make an informed conclusion. But that is not what you do, is it?

Nope. Sorry but it's exactly what you did and you got called on it.
The BLM movement is about government abuse toward black people..
But you tried to portray it as a hypocritical movement because they don't " talk about black on black crime"
You got called on your bs.
Deal with it.

 

[Bodi]

Nope. Sorry but it's exactly what you did and you got called on it.
The BLM movement is about government abuse toward black people..
But you tried to portray it as a hypocritical movement because they don't " talk about black on black crime"
You got called on your bs.
Deal with it.

LOL Now you are changing your accusation. Your posts are as bad as ever.

 

[jaeger19]

LOL Now you are changing your accusation. Your posts are as bad as ever.

Yawn...nope.
But your propensity to insult people when they call you on your bs is still strong I see.

 

[Bodi]

Yawn...nope.
But your propensity to insult people when they call you on your bs is still strong I see.

You literally made two different accusations that contradicted each other.... LOL

 

[jaeger19]

You literally made two different accusations that contradicted each other.... LOL

Nope. Not at all

 

[Bodi]

Nope. Not at all

You don't or won't see it and that is why you continually make ridiculous posts...

 

[jaeger19]

You don't or won't see it and that is why you continually make ridiculous posts...

Whatever makes you feel better about yourself bud.

 

[RealityNow]

Nope. Sorry but it's exactly what you did and you got called on it.
The BLM movement is about government abuse toward black people..
But you tried to portray it as a hypocritical movement because they don't " talk about black on black crime"
You got called on your bs.
Deal with it.

Those kind of white people... are so hung up with wanting to think themselves superior, they will say anything toward that objective. The nation saw it throughout the 1960's on live TV and we have the off-springs of those types and some of those old style racist still around. They sit behind their computers pushing the same vile they pushed in their youth. Seeking a drama fix because they were not taught how to think in humane terms of respecting diversity.

• There is no fixing them, they have to age out, as many will do in the next 5-10 yrs or so. Vaccine denial may speed that up!!!

Those offspring they fed their crap into will find life difficult, because they don't keep up, they don't educate themselves and they don't engage in progressive critical thinking. They were taught to chase the confabulated folklore fed into them by these old bigots. The same old bigots that came from being generationally poor and worshiping the wealthy white man as if they think he is going to give the something for having white skin.

We see it with the Trump voters, they accepted anything and still do, including tossing away that pretentious claim of being of Christian Values to accepting every aspect of abuse, disregard for the governance, disregard for the laws and fully void of humane concerns. They think of nothing but money, and his tax cuts gave the $2-$3 a day, and they are overjoyed... and blind to the fact that his trade wars cost them every penny of that an more. Trump fought with every Republican politician against minimum wage hikes and they cheer as if they are delighted to remain captured serfs. This is how they have been groomed their entire life.
They sucked up to Trump because he preached "attack grooming".. yet, they are blind to the fact he did nothing to improve education, skill training or anything else for young people, and not a damn thing for senior citizens. That's the level of blind cult devoted white nationalist grooming that leads the people to self defeatist agenda.

They can as they are, gerrymandered into zones with the objective being to use them to keep wealthy white men in power, and ensure the wealth gap remain in place and grows to ensure they and the generation that comes after them, remain in the new model of serfdom.

LBJ told America about these types... more than 57 yrs ago... Not only did they not learn from it, they doubled down on remaining in that cycle of stupidity.
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President Lyndon B. Johnson once said, "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."
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Look at any thread in this forum or any other forum and its filled with old white men chasing yesterdays, too unaware to pay attention that the confabulated spin they fill their minds with was not the reality. It was a time of back breaking work, with low safety standards and poor medical, and low wages, and cycles that lasted their entire lives of "credit debt". Other were in levels of depravations beyond what exist in some third word countries.
LBJ did a long study of these conditions before he promoted his plan for a "Great Society" and its because of that program, that these old heads have Medicare, which many know damn well they can't make it with out it.
Roosevelt saw the same thing, which is why he created Social Security, and many of these same one talking all this bullshit, know damn well they can't make it without social security.

Look around at many of these types, they worked jobs for 30-40 yrs, and maybe some of them might get $600-$700 a month on pension and maybe they get $800-900 on Social Security... and a great many had no pension plans. Some did not earn enough over their lives to have a higher level of social security.

They are still insidious enough to fight against Democrats and Biden for trying to help them. It's like a Stockholm syndrome of Confederacy Ideology has consumed their lives, under the bullshit term of Conservatism. Which means direct tax fund to the interest of the wealthy and cut and try and destroy any benefits that help the people.

The best thing people can do, is keep young people away from these types of peoples self defeatist mentality programming!​

 

[RealityNow]

History has seen the old racist of the pre-1960 racist promotions, die out... every decade its more and more of them will die away. Young people today, are casting off the stuff these right wing bigots try to feed into them.

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They’re Not Teaching Our Kids the Whole Truth in History Class​

By Howard WolkeDec 4, 2014

Perhaps, it would be better for my son and his classmates to learn that Christopher Columbus did a good job navigating the Atlantic Ocean, which allowed for more Europeans to travel to the Western Hemisphere (with positive and negative outcomes). My son should also know that the people who were in America when Columbus arrived were not treated very well by Columbus and that we should work to be better people and treat everyone kindly. And as far as the Pilgrims go, my son should learn that yes, the Native Americans helped them out, but it was hard, and once they got on their feet, they didn’t act very kindly back towards the Natives. I think when we teach American history to our children, we have an opportunity to encourage them to do better, rather than lionize past mistakes.

That said, I should give the school some credit. When my son came home and told me that Columbus discovered America, I asked him if anyone was already here. He said yes, and when I followed that up with asking if Columbus really discovered America, my son thought for a moment and said no. I know he is learning to think critically.

Kids understand things much more than we give them credit for. Four-year-olds know that not everyone in the world is good, but they also know what it means to try to do better.
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Why Is History Important And How Can It Benefit Your Future?​

History can help us become better informed citizens. It shows us who we are as a collective group, and being informed of this is a key element in maintaining a democratic society. This knowledge helps people take an active role in the political forum through educated debates and by refining people’s core beliefs. Through knowledge of history, citizens can even change their old belief systems.
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