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Birx says majority of Covid 19 deaths preventable

W_Heisenberg said:
This isn't true if you take population into account. If you count the number of cases on a per capita basis. Most of the top 15 or 20 or so states are red states.

If you count based on deaths per capita basis you will see the top states as blue states because they got hit first and hardest before the healthcare system adjusted to the conditions of the pandemic.
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In general the states were all affected about the same. Nobody's response has been significantly better or worse.
 
Bullseye said:
And you deserve every straw,
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Well, this was the “LOL ROFL MAGA” response I was expecting from you, but it’s still pretty close.

Hundreds of thousands of people died unnecessarily due to the incompetence, selfishness, and stupidity of your cult leader. What do their families deserve? Don’t they at least deserve the truth instead of your petty comments?
 
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trouble13 said:
In general the states were all affected about the same. Nobody's response has been significantly better or worse.
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Now that’s not true.

The state governments of North Dakota and South Dakota being a prime example of a bad response
 
Yes, many were preventable. But people didn't attend to all those behavior-driven pre-existing conditions. Like the three little pigs and the virus is the Wolf. Build your house of flimsy straw and it's going to be blown away by the Wolf.
 
W_Heisenberg said:
Now that’s not true.

The state governments of North Dakota and South Dakota being a prime example of a bad response
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Here is a complete list of fatalities per capita

www.beckershospitalreview.com

States ranked by COVID-19 death rates - Becker's Hospital Review | Healthcare News & Analysis

As of October 29, more than 743,000 people in the U.S. had died after contracting COVID-19, according to The New York Times.
www.beckershospitalreview.com www.beckershospitalreview.com

You will not see a clear breakdown of red or blue states fairing better than the other.
 
trouble13 said:
It would be interesting to know if Republicans were affected by the disease more than Democrats.
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If trump and his administration are any indication, I'd say the republicans win that one hands down.
 
trouble13 said:
Here is a complete list of fatalities per capita

www.beckershospitalreview.com

States ranked by COVID-19 death rates - Becker's Hospital Review | Healthcare News & Analysis

As of October 29, more than 743,000 people in the U.S. had died after contracting COVID-19, according to The New York Times.
www.beckershospitalreview.com www.beckershospitalreview.com

You will not see a clear breakdown of red or blue states fairing better than the other.
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Where are the stats for the number of infections per capita? The largest, most densely-populated city in the country got hit first. One would think that the red states would have watched and taken heed. But...no. They concluded that they were LESS densely-populated and therefore wouldn't be at risk. They were wrong. Your numbers don't make the red states look very smart.
 
Allan said:
Dr. Birx is saying out loud what is a blinding flash of the obvious to most of us - the way Covid was handled in the US substantially contributed to the death toll, which today sits at more than 548K. Never in history has a US President been responsible for the deaths of so many people he was charged to protect. Nothing Trump did during his term will balance the suffering and death caused by his incompetence.



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I don't know Dr. Birx's history, but her coming out now gives me cause to ask more questions. If she were so concerned then about the policies or management of the crisis, then why didn't she take it to the media? She could have exposed the details in front of the entire nation and possibly saved lives.
 
trouble13 said:
facts not in evidence
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Notice I qualified my statement. You, however, said " In general the states were all affected about the same. Nobody's response has been significantly better or worse. " No evidence in sight.
 
JMB802 said:
Actually, the prevailing theory among scientists and researchers is that covid related deaths have been undercounted. Overall deaths over the last year greatly exceed expected deaths by all causes and average overall deaths in previous years. Reported covid deaths do not account for the entire spike.

Here is data from FL.

ajph.aphapublications.org

The American Journal of Public Health (AJPH) from the American Public Health Association (APHA) publications

American Journal of Public Health (AJPH) from the American Public Health Association (APHA)
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Conclusions. Total deaths are significantly higher than historical trends in Florida even when accounting for COVID-19–related deaths. The impact of COVID-19 on mortality is significantly greater than the official COVID-19 data suggest.
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Florida lied. That’s why they went after the whistleblowers.
 
RetiredUSN said:
I don't know Dr. Birx's history, but her coming out now gives me cause to ask more questions. If she were so concerned then about the policies or management of the crisis, then why didn't she take it to the media? She could have exposed the details in front of the entire nation and possibly saved lives.
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That is one of the criticisms of Birx that was leveled even while she was working on the task force under Trump. She could have been more assertive at the time, and maybe she should have.
 
DR. BIRX is a never Trumper, and this is FAKE NEWS!!

(just thought I would get ahead of the game)

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bluesmoke said:
Birx tarnished her reputation kissing Trump's ass and since his departure has been trying to act like she was the good one all along and knew what was right. All she's done is prove she failed to stand up for what she knew was right at the time. That was a conscious decision. She's worthless, untrustworthy, in my book. She's truly a rat, turning "states evidence" on her master, jumping ship, not for the cause but to save her own self and no one else's.
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maybe she is "the enemy of the people?"
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Bullseye said:
I doubt Trump was involved on a day to day basis. As I recall when Trump claimed he had nation-wide authority to control opening and closing he was shouted down by democrat governors. Blame the deaths on them.
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That’s funny.

Because the world remembers Trump on TV every day during that period.

Every day, he downplayed the crisis, second guessed everyone around him on live TV, insulted reporters, played the fool for his fans, vented h is petty personal grievances, and peddled quack cures.

He terrorized his own task force, ignored their advice and made a show of ignoring thier recommendations. This played well in Trump land, and produced the casualty figures that the medical professionals warned of.
 
i think that the best thing that we can do now is to require vaccinations for access to normal things like work and attending events. refusal to get a vaccine is probably going to be the new freedumb fight for some, and if a new variant takes hold before most are vaccinated, the efficacy of vaccination could go down.
 
RetiredUSN said:
I don't know Dr. Birx's history, but her coming out now gives me cause to ask more questions. If she were so concerned then about the policies or management of the crisis, then why didn't she take it to the media? She could have exposed the details in front of the entire nation and possibly saved lives.
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She was afraid of the Trump Tirade in public and in private. It’s that simple. Her hindsight won’t help the latest spike in cases either. The origin of C-19 will be a hot topic this week.

Politico has a story this AM on people preferring pharmacies over expensive mass vax sites for their shots. We both get our 2nd shot soon.

I can’t pin the Medical people down yet on how long the vax protects and if you have to get a booster. They just don’t know.
 
W_Heisenberg said:
This isn't true if you take population into account. If you count the number of cases on a per capita basis. Most of the top 15 or 20 or so states are red states.

If you count based on deaths per capita basis you will see the top states as blue states because they got hit first and hardest before the healthcare system adjusted to the conditions of the pandemic.
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They‘re all talking out of the other sides of their mouths again.

After months of promoting not mask warning, denying health claims, defending quacks and TV doctors, and endorsing Trump’s do nothing “I take no responsibility” non policy, is it any surprise that they won’t own the consequences of their own behavior any more than they are willing to own themselves on TV on Jan 6th.
 
Helix said:
i think that the best thing that we can do now is to require vaccinations for access to normal things like work and attending events. refusal to get a vaccine is probably going to be the new freedumb fight for some, and if a new variant takes hold before most are vaccinated, the efficacy of vaccination could go down.
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It’s alarming to me as to the percent of medical people that haven’t got or won’t get the vax and how that could further spread the virus.
 
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